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Did they say the Linux VMs in the demo were x86? They said "virtualization", which to me, implies ARM Linux.

by sigjuice 6y ago

monocasa 6y ago
Yeah, the fact that they didn't show off Windows, but instead Debian of all things, was very telling.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  And strange - Windows already runs on ARM doesn’t it?
  - monocasa 6y ago
    I don't think there's a way to have a licensed Windows ARM copy right now on arbitrary hardware. I thought they only provided OEM versions on certified hardware.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > Yeah, the fact that they didn't show off Windows, but instead Debian of all things, was very telling. I suspect developers running VMs with Linux on them is far more common than developers running Windows VMs. Likely by an order of magnitude. Web developers want Linux VMs, Windows developer have Windows laptops.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    You'd be surprised. It was the only option for those writing native apps to have a platform that could legally run all of your tooling if you shipped Mac/Windows/Linux.
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      > It was the only option for those writing native apps to have a platform that could legally run all of your tooling if you shipped Mac/Windows/Linux. Sure, but the number of people writing cross platform apps is a small fraction of the number of web developers out there.
      - monocasa 6y ago
        But given the amount of time they talked about how large a part native apps play into the transitions, an extremely strategically important segment for them. Additionally, there's the Android/iOS crowd in the same boat, where emulation of non x86 in Android dev is pretty limited (but I can see that being rectified with the newer virtualization extensions).
- homarp 6y ago
  MacOS Subsystem for Linux
ogre_codes 6y ago
This is true, it might just be virtualizing ARM, I think I just assumed it was x86 emulation based on the context.
cma 6y ago
Since arm has a more relaxed memory model they will likely never be able to emulate x86 with multithreading well.

Did they say the Linux VMs in the demo were x86? They said "virtualization", which to me, implies ARM Linux.

monocasa 6y ago

Yeah, the fact that they didn't show off Windows, but instead Debian of all things, was very telling.

lostlogin 6y ago
And strange - Windows already runs on ARM doesn’t it?
- monocasa 6y ago
  I don't think there's a way to have a licensed Windows ARM copy right now on arbitrary hardware. I thought they only provided OEM versions on certified hardware.
ogre_codes 6y ago
> Yeah, the fact that they didn't show off Windows, but instead Debian of all things, was very telling. I suspect developers running VMs with Linux on them is far more common than developers running Windows VMs. Likely by an order of magnitude. Web developers want Linux VMs, Windows developer have Windows laptops.
- monocasa 6y ago
  You'd be surprised. It was the only option for those writing native apps to have a platform that could legally run all of your tooling if you shipped Mac/Windows/Linux.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    > It was the only option for those writing native apps to have a platform that could legally run all of your tooling if you shipped Mac/Windows/Linux. Sure, but the number of people writing cross platform apps is a small fraction of the number of web developers out there.
    - monocasa 6y ago
      But given the amount of time they talked about how large a part native apps play into the transitions, an extremely strategically important segment for them. Additionally, there's the Android/iOS crowd in the same boat, where emulation of non x86 in Android dev is pretty limited (but I can see that being rectified with the newer virtualization extensions).
homarp 6y ago
MacOS Subsystem for Linux

ogre_codes 6y ago

This is true, it might just be virtualizing ARM, I think I just assumed it was x86 emulation based on the context.

cma 6y ago

Since arm has a more relaxed memory model they will likely never be able to emulate x86 with multithreading well.