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I find it intriguing that generally speaking, people have issue with monopolies. Yet, as much as everyone claims there's a free market, MS has failed with both

I find it intriguing that generally speaking, people have issue with monopolies. Yet, as much as everyone claims there's a free market, MS has failed with both a mobile OS and a streaming service, and essentially gives it over to the giant. FB didn't even need to do anything, just their existence and networking abilities is enough to make alternatives unviable. I do wonder what we will do in the long term as most places are centralized. Google and Apple for a mobile OS, FB (or FB properties) for social networking, there's Twitch for streaming, YouTube for video hosting. These days, the chances of competition are (IMO) impossible due to the sheer size and influence (and power) of these mega giants.

earthtobishop 6y ago
According to the most recent Streamlabs report: YouTube Gaming Live accounted for 22.1% market share for 2019 in terms of hours watched while Twitch market share accounts for 75.1% and Mixer market share accounted for is 2.7%. Youtube Gaming is also growing extremely fast since they have rolled out their new creative suite. https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/streamlabs-newzoo-q4-year-in-review-live-streaming-industry-report/#:~:text=With%20a%2046%25%20increase%20in,share%20accounted%20for%20is%202.7%25 https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/streamlabs-newzoo-q4-ye.... Facebook Gaming hardly has any market share so I don't understand why you are saying their existence and networking abilities is enough to make alternativeS unviable. The streaming industry seems to be one of the most competitive markets out there.
- huhuhuhuhuh 6y ago
  A more recent report: https://blog.streamlabs.com/streamlabs-stream-hatchet-q1-2020-live-streaming-industry-report-9630bc3e0e1e https://blog.streamlabs.com/streamlabs-stream-hatchet-q1-202... facebook gaming is catching up really fast. it went from 'hardly any market share' to 11% of hours watched.
jorams 6y ago
> I find it intriguing that generally speaking, people have issue with monopolies. Yet, as much as everyone claims there's a free market, MS has failed with both a mobile OS and a streaming service, and essentially gives it over to the giant. When people take issue with monopolies, they are not asking for a company like MS to break that up. They are asking for smaller, independent players.
tso 6y ago
I've heard good things about the mobile OS, but with Mixer Microsoft missed the mark. They did a decent job of copying the Twitch UI to make the transition familiar, but then had a number of unnecessary friction points that I'm sure drove folks away. As an example with my own experience: I was a somewhat regular Shroud viewer on Twitch. When he had his first Mixer stream I tuned in, only to find out that A) his overlay notifications hadn't been integrated and B) I couldn't even minimize the chat pane of the viewer without signing up for a Mixer account, which was an onerous process. Not having a large streamers overlay integrations working prior to his debut stream tells me that MS does not understand how critically important community engagement is in live streaming. Forcing me to sign up just to be able to control the viewer UI drove me away and removed any chance of me returning and finding organic reasons to sign up for Mixer. That was the one and only time I watched Shroud after his move.

earthtobishop 6y ago

According to the most recent Streamlabs report: YouTube Gaming Live accounted for 22.1% market share for 2019 in terms of hours watched while Twitch market share accounts for 75.1% and Mixer market share accounted for is 2.7%. Youtube Gaming is also growing extremely fast since they have rolled out their new creative suite. https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/streamlabs-newzoo-q4-year-in-review-live-streaming-industry-report/#:~:text=With%20a%2046%25%20increase%20in,share%20accounted%20for%20is%202.7%25 https://newzoo.com/insights/articles/streamlabs-newzoo-q4-ye.... Facebook Gaming hardly has any market share so I don't understand why you are saying their existence and networking abilities is enough to make alternativeS unviable. The streaming industry seems to be one of the most competitive markets out there.

huhuhuhuhuh 6y ago
A more recent report: https://blog.streamlabs.com/streamlabs-stream-hatchet-q1-2020-live-streaming-industry-report-9630bc3e0e1e https://blog.streamlabs.com/streamlabs-stream-hatchet-q1-202... facebook gaming is catching up really fast. it went from 'hardly any market share' to 11% of hours watched.

jorams 6y ago

> I find it intriguing that generally speaking, people have issue with monopolies. Yet, as much as everyone claims there's a free market, MS has failed with both a mobile OS and a streaming service, and essentially gives it over to the giant. When people take issue with monopolies, they are not asking for a company like MS to break that up. They are asking for smaller, independent players.

tso 6y ago

I've heard good things about the mobile OS, but with Mixer Microsoft missed the mark. They did a decent job of copying the Twitch UI to make the transition familiar, but then had a number of unnecessary friction points that I'm sure drove folks away. As an example with my own experience: I was a somewhat regular Shroud viewer on Twitch. When he had his first Mixer stream I tuned in, only to find out that A) his overlay notifications hadn't been integrated and B) I couldn't even minimize the chat pane of the viewer without signing up for a Mixer account, which was an onerous process. Not having a large streamers overlay integrations working prior to his debut stream tells me that MS does not understand how critically important community engagement is in live streaming. Forcing me to sign up just to be able to control the viewer UI drove me away and removed any chance of me returning and finding organic reasons to sign up for Mixer. That was the one and only time I watched Shroud after his move.