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The additional iOS privacy protections (camera & mic use, and Safari tracking sounds great). The developer self-reporting of data use is great, but can we trust

The additional iOS privacy protections (camera & mic use, and Safari tracking sounds great). The developer self-reporting of data use is great, but can we trust self-reporting? What's to dis-incentivize the developers from lying?

elevenoh 6y ago
How would one verify these privacy protections are as they say?
- graeme 6y ago
  They can review the code in app review Edit: seems I’m wrong
  - richardwhiuk 6y ago
    They don't - they only get the binary. They could be decompiling it, but I doubt it. They can see what functions it calls.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      They do sometimes, if rarely.
- K0nserv 6y ago
  Monitor outgoing network traffic via mitmproxy/Charles Proxy. It's currently very transparent where and what kind of data leaves a given app, if you look for it.
MrQuimico 6y ago
They can remove the app from the App Store at will. We need to wait to know the details, but it's very likely this will be one of the reasons the will use.
vadansky 6y ago
This is why I don't get why people want the AppStore to be like Play Store In the AppStore if you are a bad actor you get kicked out and need to consider if you want to pay to get another developer license to keep publishing garbage Compared to Play Store, the AppStore feels a lot cleaner. I don't need a hundred crappy low effort apps hoping I install them so they can steal my data. I mean, no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone. People act like Apple is ripping your Thinkpad with Arch Linux from your hands and forcing you to use Apple hardware. I have a laptop running Ubuntu. Fact is I trust my iPhone for online banking more.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 6y ago
  >In the AppStore if you are a bad actor you get kicked out and need to consider if you want to pay to get another developer license to keep publishing garbage If that is good for the Apple's App Store, shouldn't we want that in other stores? If so, why isn't that policing work done democratically so we can call it "law + law enforcement"?
  - vadansky 6y ago
    What's wrong with diversity? I like having the option of a closed wall "curated" market, and an open install anything market. I can do my banking on my iPhone and have the password saved on it, while having an Android running F-droid running whatever I want that will never touch my banking info. What's wrong with having MORE choice. iPhone are no where near market monopoly.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  > I don't need a hundred crappy low effort apps hoping I install them so they can steal my data. This is sadly still a problem on the App Store :(

elevenoh 6y ago

How would one verify these privacy protections are as they say?

graeme 6y ago
They can review the code in app review Edit: seems I’m wrong
- richardwhiuk 6y ago
  They don't - they only get the binary. They could be decompiling it, but I doubt it. They can see what functions it calls.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    They do sometimes, if rarely.
K0nserv 6y ago
Monitor outgoing network traffic via mitmproxy/Charles Proxy. It's currently very transparent where and what kind of data leaves a given app, if you look for it.

MrQuimico 6y ago

They can remove the app from the App Store at will. We need to wait to know the details, but it's very likely this will be one of the reasons the will use.

vadansky 6y ago

This is why I don't get why people want the AppStore to be like Play Store In the AppStore if you are a bad actor you get kicked out and need to consider if you want to pay to get another developer license to keep publishing garbage Compared to Play Store, the AppStore feels a lot cleaner. I don't need a hundred crappy low effort apps hoping I install them so they can steal my data. I mean, no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone. People act like Apple is ripping your Thinkpad with Arch Linux from your hands and forcing you to use Apple hardware. I have a laptop running Ubuntu. Fact is I trust my iPhone for online banking more.

rcMgD2BwE72F 6y ago
>In the AppStore if you are a bad actor you get kicked out and need to consider if you want to pay to get another developer license to keep publishing garbage If that is good for the Apple's App Store, shouldn't we want that in other stores? If so, why isn't that policing work done democratically so we can call it "law + law enforcement"?
- vadansky 6y ago
  What's wrong with diversity? I like having the option of a closed wall "curated" market, and an open install anything market. I can do my banking on my iPhone and have the password saved on it, while having an Android running F-droid running whatever I want that will never touch my banking info. What's wrong with having MORE choice. iPhone are no where near market monopoly.
saagarjha 6y ago
> I don't need a hundred crappy low effort apps hoping I install them so they can steal my data. This is sadly still a problem on the App Store :(