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> where hateful things are allowed as long as they are from the left side of the political spectrum Citation needed. It's not because you hear more often in t

> where hateful things are allowed as long as they are from the left side of the political spectrum Citation needed. It's not because you hear more often in the media about the right being censored that it means that hateful stuff from the left is allowed.

Darmody 6y ago
Need a citation? Get on twitter and see how right wingers get banned on heated discussions with left wingers where BOTH are aggressive to each other. The left also mass report stuff they don't like as "hate speech" which automatically results in a ban. Sorry, but the hate speech stuff is just a new way to censor stuff some people don't like and in the end it'll affect us all, no matter if left or right wing.
- spiderfarmer 6y ago
  I am on Twitter all the time and couldn’t care less about American politics, but the vocal minority of right wingers always think there’s some sort of complot against them. You’re no exception.
  - kukx 6y ago
    Well, objectively the Twitter is biased against conservatives. See a talk on Joe Rogan with Tim Pool and CEO of Twitter. So, the most obvious example is, if you are conservative and assert that there are only two sexes and happen to refer to someone according to your stance - you can get banned for misgendering.
    - elliekelly 6y ago
      That’s because it’s against Twitter’s “Hateful Conduct Policy” which users agree to follow in order to use the site. And it isn’t just “misgendering” someone that will get your account banned, it’s deliberately misgendering someone so as to bully them. Everyone on the internet has accidentally been referred to using the wrong pronouns but innocent mistakes happen when people communicate anonymously. Innocent mistakes won’t get your account banned. Deliberately misgendering someone is also a violation of Facebook’s Community Standards. Do you consider Facebook to be “objectively biased against conservatives” as well?
      - spiderfarmer 6y ago
        Some right wingers only want to be nice to people they personally know. The whole “liberally biased” world is trying to “force” them to be nice and they hate it.
- alpha_squared 6y ago
  A citation is still preferred because the nature of social media is that everyone experiences their own bubble of interactions. As a counter-anecdote, my experience has been that frivolous reporting is far more common coming from far-right political ideologists. Without citation, no one knows who's right/wrong or even how pervasive of a problem it is. It just results in zero discussion and turns into a flame war.
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- Voloskaya 6y ago
  That's doesn't provide any evidence. Twitter doesn't block tweets for being "agressive", they block tweets for some very specific things like call to violence etc. * Can you show that one side gets censored more often than the other? Not just based on your biased personal timeline. * If yes, can you show that both sides breaks the ToS as often? Both sides are politically very different, and appeal to very different people, it's not hard to imagine that one side may indeed be more violent than the other. So yes, I would like a citation.
  - shripadk 6y ago
    Alright since you asked for citation here is one: https://www.opindia.com/2019/04/popular-twitter-account-trueindology-suspended-again-after-suspended-bureaucrat-threatened-to-use-his-contacts-to-block-it/ https://www.opindia.com/2019/04/popular-twitter-account-true... This is a really popular right wing Twitter account in India which only dealt with exposing false narratives spread by leftist historians with facts. Facts from published books, memoirs of Kings who ruled India, sculptures and ancient artifacts. "True Indology" did not break any rules. Was not violent nor did he threaten anyone. Just exposing false narratives through facts. He was banned with no reason provided. This was not the first time his account was suspended. It was done multiple times. You can read complete details of what he experienced on Twitter here: https://www.mynation.com/views/true-indology-exposes-the-vicious-plan--pqtqwo https://www.mynation.com/views/true-indology-exposes-the-vic... The number of right wing accounts shadow banned and suspended in India by Twitter is staggering. You never hear left wing accounts being suspended. No matter how much hate speech you come across. Heck those left wing accounts that get exposed for hate speech automatically turn their accounts private. That doesn't mean that Twitter doesn't know what is contained within the account right? It can still close down the account for violation of its policies. But it doesn't do that. There is a strong undercurrent against left-leaning biased social media sites like Twitter in India. It will just erupt one day just like Indians have erupted against TikTok. It is only a matter of time. Twitter is doing a big mistake by treating right wingers in India unfairly.
    - commoner 6y ago
      OpIndia is a propaganda website. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia
- Minor49er 6y ago
  I am citing this comment as an example
dimgl 6y ago
> Citation needed. Now that's a LUL
ApolloFortyNine 6y ago
There were an incredible number of tweets calling to "Burn it down" or similar (about the fires in Minneapolis after the George Floyd protests). I can link a few tweets, but with millions of twitter messages a day, I can hardly link enough to be statistically relevant if you choose to believe the other way, and I don't have the energy to randomly sample twitter.
- augustt 6y ago
  Which is hateful against... buildings?
  - milkytron 6y ago
    It's not that it's hateful. It's inciting and encouraging violence, which I'm pretty sure is against the ToS.
    - cryptoz 6y ago
      It's generally understood that violence is something that happens to a person or living entity; buildings being burnt down is very different from a person being attacked. The word violence might be used for both, but really, it is meant in the modern day to refer to people. Violence isn't about property that can be rebuilt with mere money. It is about hurting people.
      - aifer4 6y ago
        The definition of violence: "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." Unless we're using words in the humpty dumpty sense of "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
      - milkytron 6y ago
        So I looked up their policy, and you seem to be correct there. Twitter defines violence as towards other individuals or groups. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-rules https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-rules However, if users are encouraging or telling others to break the law, that is also against Twitters policies. > You may not use our service for any unlawful purpose or in furtherance of illegal activities. Encouraging or inciting others to break the law is illegal. Although it's on the illegal goods page, I think this could still be against their policy. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/regulated-goods-services https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/regulated-goo...
kukx 6y ago
What about the call to dox the Covington kids by a verified account. Is there anything comparable to it on the right side? I do not think so. The rules for thee, but not for me. https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086927762634399744?lang=en https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086927762634399744?...
- Voloskaya 6y ago
  You mean like the numerous calls from many top GOP lawmakers to dox the Ukraine scandal whistleblower? Probably dozens of tweets just from the president and not one was censored.
TheRealSteel 6y ago
I'm about as left wing as you can get, but Twitter is incredibly biased. August Ames chose not to have sex with men who have sex with men. Because of this decision to do what she wants with her own body, she was harassed by people telling her to commit suicide for it. She DID kill herself, and the people that told her to were not even banned. https://www.spartareport.com/2017/12/leftists-bullied-august-ames/ https://www.spartareport.com/2017/12/leftists-bullied-august...
mtgp1000 6y ago
If these claims of censorship were true, where would you expect to find a citation? If I linked you threads of people like Tariq Nashad calling for racial violence against whites, my post would likely be flagged and I'd be banned for posting flamebait. I don't think there's an explicit conspiracy but the forces are aligned such that they suppress content and naturally suppress criticism of suppression, and that creates an internet-wide false consensus.

Darmody 6y ago

Need a citation? Get on twitter and see how right wingers get banned on heated discussions with left wingers where BOTH are aggressive to each other. The left also mass report stuff they don't like as "hate speech" which automatically results in a ban. Sorry, but the hate speech stuff is just a new way to censor stuff some people don't like and in the end it'll affect us all, no matter if left or right wing.

spiderfarmer 6y ago
I am on Twitter all the time and couldn’t care less about American politics, but the vocal minority of right wingers always think there’s some sort of complot against them. You’re no exception.
- kukx 6y ago
  Well, objectively the Twitter is biased against conservatives. See a talk on Joe Rogan with Tim Pool and CEO of Twitter. So, the most obvious example is, if you are conservative and assert that there are only two sexes and happen to refer to someone according to your stance - you can get banned for misgendering.
  - elliekelly 6y ago
    That’s because it’s against Twitter’s “Hateful Conduct Policy” which users agree to follow in order to use the site. And it isn’t just “misgendering” someone that will get your account banned, it’s deliberately misgendering someone so as to bully them. Everyone on the internet has accidentally been referred to using the wrong pronouns but innocent mistakes happen when people communicate anonymously. Innocent mistakes won’t get your account banned. Deliberately misgendering someone is also a violation of Facebook’s Community Standards. Do you consider Facebook to be “objectively biased against conservatives” as well?
    - spiderfarmer 6y ago
      Some right wingers only want to be nice to people they personally know. The whole “liberally biased” world is trying to “force” them to be nice and they hate it.
alpha_squared 6y ago
A citation is still preferred because the nature of social media is that everyone experiences their own bubble of interactions. As a counter-anecdote, my experience has been that frivolous reporting is far more common coming from far-right political ideologists. Without citation, no one knows who's right/wrong or even how pervasive of a problem it is. It just results in zero discussion and turns into a flame war.
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Voloskaya 6y ago
That's doesn't provide any evidence. Twitter doesn't block tweets for being "agressive", they block tweets for some very specific things like call to violence etc. * Can you show that one side gets censored more often than the other? Not just based on your biased personal timeline. * If yes, can you show that both sides breaks the ToS as often? Both sides are politically very different, and appeal to very different people, it's not hard to imagine that one side may indeed be more violent than the other. So yes, I would like a citation.
- shripadk 6y ago
  Alright since you asked for citation here is one: https://www.opindia.com/2019/04/popular-twitter-account-trueindology-suspended-again-after-suspended-bureaucrat-threatened-to-use-his-contacts-to-block-it/ https://www.opindia.com/2019/04/popular-twitter-account-true... This is a really popular right wing Twitter account in India which only dealt with exposing false narratives spread by leftist historians with facts. Facts from published books, memoirs of Kings who ruled India, sculptures and ancient artifacts. "True Indology" did not break any rules. Was not violent nor did he threaten anyone. Just exposing false narratives through facts. He was banned with no reason provided. This was not the first time his account was suspended. It was done multiple times. You can read complete details of what he experienced on Twitter here: https://www.mynation.com/views/true-indology-exposes-the-vicious-plan--pqtqwo https://www.mynation.com/views/true-indology-exposes-the-vic... The number of right wing accounts shadow banned and suspended in India by Twitter is staggering. You never hear left wing accounts being suspended. No matter how much hate speech you come across. Heck those left wing accounts that get exposed for hate speech automatically turn their accounts private. That doesn't mean that Twitter doesn't know what is contained within the account right? It can still close down the account for violation of its policies. But it doesn't do that. There is a strong undercurrent against left-leaning biased social media sites like Twitter in India. It will just erupt one day just like Indians have erupted against TikTok. It is only a matter of time. Twitter is doing a big mistake by treating right wingers in India unfairly.
  - commoner 6y ago
    OpIndia is a propaganda website. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia
Minor49er 6y ago
I am citing this comment as an example

dimgl 6y ago

> Citation needed. Now that's a LUL

ApolloFortyNine 6y ago

There were an incredible number of tweets calling to "Burn it down" or similar (about the fires in Minneapolis after the George Floyd protests). I can link a few tweets, but with millions of twitter messages a day, I can hardly link enough to be statistically relevant if you choose to believe the other way, and I don't have the energy to randomly sample twitter.

augustt 6y ago
Which is hateful against... buildings?
- milkytron 6y ago
  It's not that it's hateful. It's inciting and encouraging violence, which I'm pretty sure is against the ToS.
  - cryptoz 6y ago
    It's generally understood that violence is something that happens to a person or living entity; buildings being burnt down is very different from a person being attacked. The word violence might be used for both, but really, it is meant in the modern day to refer to people. Violence isn't about property that can be rebuilt with mere money. It is about hurting people.
    - aifer4 6y ago
      The definition of violence: "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." Unless we're using words in the humpty dumpty sense of "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
    - milkytron 6y ago
      So I looked up their policy, and you seem to be correct there. Twitter defines violence as towards other individuals or groups. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-rules https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-rules However, if users are encouraging or telling others to break the law, that is also against Twitters policies. > You may not use our service for any unlawful purpose or in furtherance of illegal activities. Encouraging or inciting others to break the law is illegal. Although it's on the illegal goods page, I think this could still be against their policy. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/regulated-goods-services https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/regulated-goo...

kukx 6y ago

What about the call to dox the Covington kids by a verified account. Is there anything comparable to it on the right side? I do not think so. The rules for thee, but not for me. https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086927762634399744?lang=en https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086927762634399744?...

Voloskaya 6y ago
You mean like the numerous calls from many top GOP lawmakers to dox the Ukraine scandal whistleblower? Probably dozens of tweets just from the president and not one was censored.

TheRealSteel 6y ago

I'm about as left wing as you can get, but Twitter is incredibly biased. August Ames chose not to have sex with men who have sex with men. Because of this decision to do what she wants with her own body, she was harassed by people telling her to commit suicide for it. She DID kill herself, and the people that told her to were not even banned. https://www.spartareport.com/2017/12/leftists-bullied-august-ames/ https://www.spartareport.com/2017/12/leftists-bullied-august...

mtgp1000 6y ago

If these claims of censorship were true, where would you expect to find a citation? If I linked you threads of people like Tariq Nashad calling for racial violence against whites, my post would likely be flagged and I'd be banned for posting flamebait. I don't think there's an explicit conspiracy but the forces are aligned such that they suppress content and naturally suppress criticism of suppression, and that creates an internet-wide false consensus.