I think out and ref are pretty horrible. I agree wholeheartedly, though I'm not sure why. I often find myself creating small "data bunch" types with names like

I think out and ref are pretty horrible. I agree wholeheartedly, though I'm not sure why. I often find myself creating small "data bunch" types with names like ValidationResult that consist of a bool & a set of messages to use as responses to the question "is this input OK, and if not, why not?"