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Perhaps it should be noted that citizens of those countries almost never carry guns themselves. And when they do(and want to commit crimes), e.g. Brevik, more m
by oh_sigh 6y ago
Perhaps it should be noted that citizens of those countries almost never carry guns themselves. And when they do(and want to commit crimes), e.g. Brevik, more murders happen while police stand around waiting for the gun units to show up.
- mindslight 6y agoFirst, citizens possibly being more armed than everyday police is not a bad thing. Parking enforcement and process servers are less armed than the people they confront. It generally takes two to escalate - if a moving violation turns out to be a cornered violent felon, you want them to drive off rather than expecting a single officer to control them in the heat of the moment! Second, firearms could still be carried in every vehicle in case they're needed. For example, the National Park Police does this with rifles - ready to go in case needed in a remote area. This idea that a police officer responding to routine incidents may suddenly need to draw their handgun and start shooting is exactly the problem.
- ceejayoz 6y agoStephen Paddock shot 471 people (killing 58, and injuring an additional 400+ via the ensuing stampedes, for a total of nearly a thousand casualties) in Vegas in 2017, despite armed security in the hotel and well-armed cops all over the festival and surrounding town. Norway has a murder rate of 0.53 per 100,000. The US is 5.0 per 100,000. Your assertions don't bear much scrutiny.
- oh_sigh 6y agoWhich assertions don't bear much scrutiny? That Norwegians rarely carry guns, or that Brevik was able to kill more people than he would have been able to if a police officer who was already present on the scene had access to a gun?