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> India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. What i

by ra7 6y ago

> India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. What is the basis for this? People have been predicting fall of democracy in India for decades (especially in the West), but nothing of that sort has happened. The closest incident was the state of emergency under Indira Gandhi in 1975-1977. India successfully recovered back then when the populace was far less educated and far less exposed to the outside world. It's not likely that anything like that is going to happen again.

sand_castles 6y ago
Having one-party rule for 60 years is no democracy. You don't have a democracy when the state controls all the TV media. > What is the basis for this The basis for this is the level of grinding poverty in India, live in a Indian slum for a year and then come back to me, and spew the virtues of "democracy" vs economic freedom and rights. Poverty is organic propaganda for extremism and communism.
- ra7 6y ago
  > Having one-party rule for 60 years is no democracy. Er, what? Democracy means people can choose the government. There were several political parties in those 60 years of Congress rule. They just weren't big enough to win elections. In any case, you just have to look at the last 20+ years to see how government has alternated between political parties. > You don't have a democracy when the state controls all the TV media. [citation needed] > The basis for this is the level of grinding poverty in India 270 million lifted out of poverty just in a decade (2006-2016), second only to China. Existence of poverty means democracy is not the right form governing? You make no sense. What is the alternative? > live in a Indian slum for a year and then come back to me, and spew the virtues of "democracy" vs economic freedom and rights I have lived in India for better part of two decades. I don't need lessons from you on what poverty looks like, thanks.
- teatree 6y ago
  India has news channels castigating the govt everyday. Wire, NDTV are 2 examples. Attempts to bring a constitutional amendment (NRC, CAA) which discriminated against 1 religious community was vehemently opposed and stopped. People took to the streets. How many political parties does the beacon of democracy in the world have ? How does such an example of democracy end up choosing between a tyrant and a senile ? Authoritarianism and right wing leaders are on the rise around the world. India is also fighting the same challenges. Poverty and lack of education are primary reasons of corruption, India is growing organically like a democracy of its size should, fighting the challenges it has. The only reason India has a voice against China is because of its Nuclear capability, had it relied on the goodwill of the west, India would be bowing to China like other ASEAN countries. China is at par with US today because of over dependence of the latter on the former. The US can continue to enable a authoritarian, non democratic power, or support a country which believes in its democratic values in becoming its ally against China and stabilize the world. What do you think will happen to democratic values of the world when China reigns supreme ? (A Uyghur would like to say Hi!)
- sbmthakur 6y ago
  > You don't have a democracy when the state controls all the TV media. Please share some data points when you make such tall claims. India sure does has Fox and Breitbart equivalent of its own. But that doesn't imply that the state controls 'all the media'.
  - throwaway384629 6y ago
    This article shows a nice summary of topics of news on major tv channels in India Literally 0 discussion on anything that puts government in bad light. 0 discussion on issues like health, education, unemployment etc. Most of the discussion are on breaking communal harmony (which is in interest of ruling party) and bashing opposition parties. https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/14-debates-on-ram-mandir-66-attacking-opposition-but-none-on-the-economy-four-hindi-news-channels https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/14-debates-on-ram-...
    - pranav_pratap 6y ago
      Please don’t cite national herald. This is an enterprise that is owned by the opposition political party and used to grab prime real estate. You will get the same content in some other newspaper sympathetic to the opposition parties. Please cite that.
throwaway384629 6y ago
Not sure if India is still a democracy. Media and Judiciary are important pillars of democracy, but they are tightly controlled by the Government in India. Former Chief Justice of India (CJI) Ranjan Gogoi was nominated to the Rajya Sabha by President (Current Government) [1]: A judge dies right before court case hearing of the top leader of the ruling party. [2] An Indian Police Service officer [3] is known for his role in filing an affidavit in the Supreme Court of India against the then Chief Minister of the Government of Gujarat, Mr. Modi, concerning Modi's alleged role in the 2002 Gujarat riots. On 30 September 2011, he was arrested due to a case, the Supreme Court suspended the case in April 2012. On 20 June 2019, he was sentenced to life in relation to another case dating back to 1990. A 27-year old pregnant lady has been lodged in Jail for participating in the anti-CAA protests and denied bail as the judge finds 'no merit' in her bail plea. [4]. She is accused of "planning to hold protests". A gunman fired shots at protestors during the same anti-CAA protests [5] and gets bail within a month [6] by the court: A ruling party leader who gave a hate speech during the same anti-CAA protests on camera while police officers standing with him on stage is free and still part of the ruling party. [7] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranjan_Gogoi#Member_of_Rajya_Sabha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranjan_Gogoi#Member_of_Rajya_S... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brijgopal_Harkishan_Loya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brijgopal_Harkishan_Loya [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjiv_Bhatt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjiv_Bhatt [4] https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2020/jun/04/jamia-student-safoora-zargar-denied-bail-as-judge-finds-no-merit-in-plea-2152326.html https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2020/jun/04/ja... [5] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/gunman-injures-indian-student-in-attack-on-citizenship-protest https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/gunman-injures... [6] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shaheen-bagh-shooter-kapil-baisala-who-shouted-only-hindus-will-rule-gets-bail-2191634 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shaheen-bagh-shooter-kapil-b... [7] https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/bjp-leader-kapil-mishras-3-day-ultimatum-to-delhi-police-to-clear-anti-caa-protest-jaffrabad-2184627 https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/bjp-leader-kapil-mishras-3-d...
- ra7 6y ago
  Throwing in a bunch of complaints (sometimes valid) doesn't mean India is not a democracy. Do the people still choose the government via elections or not? If you don't like policies of the current government, organize the opposition and vote them out. That's not being curtailed by anyone.

by ra7 6y ago

sand_castles 6y ago

Having one-party rule for 60 years is no democracy. You don't have a democracy when the state controls all the TV media. > What is the basis for this The basis for this is the level of grinding poverty in India, live in a Indian slum for a year and then come back to me, and spew the virtues of "democracy" vs economic freedom and rights. Poverty is organic propaganda for extremism and communism.

ra7 6y ago
> Having one-party rule for 60 years is no democracy. Er, what? Democracy means people can choose the government. There were several political parties in those 60 years of Congress rule. They just weren't big enough to win elections. In any case, you just have to look at the last 20+ years to see how government has alternated between political parties. > You don't have a democracy when the state controls all the TV media. [citation needed] > The basis for this is the level of grinding poverty in India 270 million lifted out of poverty just in a decade (2006-2016), second only to China. Existence of poverty means democracy is not the right form governing? You make no sense. What is the alternative? > live in a Indian slum for a year and then come back to me, and spew the virtues of "democracy" vs economic freedom and rights I have lived in India for better part of two decades. I don't need lessons from you on what poverty looks like, thanks.
teatree 6y ago
India has news channels castigating the govt everyday. Wire, NDTV are 2 examples. Attempts to bring a constitutional amendment (NRC, CAA) which discriminated against 1 religious community was vehemently opposed and stopped. People took to the streets. How many political parties does the beacon of democracy in the world have ? How does such an example of democracy end up choosing between a tyrant and a senile ? Authoritarianism and right wing leaders are on the rise around the world. India is also fighting the same challenges. Poverty and lack of education are primary reasons of corruption, India is growing organically like a democracy of its size should, fighting the challenges it has. The only reason India has a voice against China is because of its Nuclear capability, had it relied on the goodwill of the west, India would be bowing to China like other ASEAN countries. China is at par with US today because of over dependence of the latter on the former. The US can continue to enable a authoritarian, non democratic power, or support a country which believes in its democratic values in becoming its ally against China and stabilize the world. What do you think will happen to democratic values of the world when China reigns supreme ? (A Uyghur would like to say Hi!)
sbmthakur 6y ago
> You don't have a democracy when the state controls all the TV media. Please share some data points when you make such tall claims. India sure does has Fox and Breitbart equivalent of its own. But that doesn't imply that the state controls 'all the media'.
- throwaway384629 6y ago
  This article shows a nice summary of topics of news on major tv channels in India Literally 0 discussion on anything that puts government in bad light. 0 discussion on issues like health, education, unemployment etc. Most of the discussion are on breaking communal harmony (which is in interest of ruling party) and bashing opposition parties. https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/14-debates-on-ram-mandir-66-attacking-opposition-but-none-on-the-economy-four-hindi-news-channels https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/14-debates-on-ram-...
  - pranav_pratap 6y ago
    Please don’t cite national herald. This is an enterprise that is owned by the opposition political party and used to grab prime real estate. You will get the same content in some other newspaper sympathetic to the opposition parties. Please cite that.

throwaway384629 6y ago

Not sure if India is still a democracy. Media and Judiciary are important pillars of democracy, but they are tightly controlled by the Government in India. Former Chief Justice of India (CJI) Ranjan Gogoi was nominated to the Rajya Sabha by President (Current Government) [1]: A judge dies right before court case hearing of the top leader of the ruling party. [2] An Indian Police Service officer [3] is known for his role in filing an affidavit in the Supreme Court of India against the then Chief Minister of the Government of Gujarat, Mr. Modi, concerning Modi's alleged role in the 2002 Gujarat riots. On 30 September 2011, he was arrested due to a case, the Supreme Court suspended the case in April 2012. On 20 June 2019, he was sentenced to life in relation to another case dating back to 1990. A 27-year old pregnant lady has been lodged in Jail for participating in the anti-CAA protests and denied bail as the judge finds 'no merit' in her bail plea. [4]. She is accused of "planning to hold protests". A gunman fired shots at protestors during the same anti-CAA protests [5] and gets bail within a month [6] by the court: A ruling party leader who gave a hate speech during the same anti-CAA protests on camera while police officers standing with him on stage is free and still part of the ruling party. [7] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranjan_Gogoi#Member_of_Rajya_Sabha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranjan_Gogoi#Member_of_Rajya_S... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brijgopal_Harkishan_Loya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brijgopal_Harkishan_Loya [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjiv_Bhatt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjiv_Bhatt [4] https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2020/jun/04/jamia-student-safoora-zargar-denied-bail-as-judge-finds-no-merit-in-plea-2152326.html https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2020/jun/04/ja... [5] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/gunman-injures-indian-student-in-attack-on-citizenship-protest https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/gunman-injures... [6] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shaheen-bagh-shooter-kapil-baisala-who-shouted-only-hindus-will-rule-gets-bail-2191634 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shaheen-bagh-shooter-kapil-b... [7] https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/bjp-leader-kapil-mishras-3-day-ultimatum-to-delhi-police-to-clear-anti-caa-protest-jaffrabad-2184627 https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/bjp-leader-kapil-mishras-3-d...

ra7 6y ago
Throwing in a bunch of complaints (sometimes valid) doesn't mean India is not a democracy. Do the people still choose the government via elections or not? If you don't like policies of the current government, organize the opposition and vote them out. That's not being curtailed by anyone.