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What does that even mean? So it’s ok for corporations to discriminate? Maybe I missed the /sarcasm?

by bronco21016 6y ago

mrkurt 6y ago
I think they mean: discriminating against corporations is entirely different than discriminating against people.
- xhkkffbf 6y ago
  Except many corporations aren't particularly diverse. Discriminating against the NBA is going end up being pretty racially focused.
  - 6AA4FD 6y ago
    https://careers.nba.com/employees/ https://careers.nba.com/employees/ this list might be cherry-picked, but this looks like a pretty (at least racially/phenotypically) diverse list of people. I assume you are actually thinking about NBA teams, but I wanted to bring this up to make the point that the NBA organization is not necessarily controlled by by a group of people representative of the players that you would rightly associate with it.
  - bravoetch 6y ago
    > Discriminating against the NBA is going end up being pretty racially focused. To address your example, let's pretend that the NBA announces they no longer recycle. Then my business that sells cardboard boxes to the NBA announces in response that we will no longer sell boxes to the NBA. If you think that has anything to do with racism - I'm open to hearing it.
    - bricklebush 6y ago
      I think a trouble is that, in this day and age it seems that the outcome is what determines racism, sexism, ageism, etc. We're obsessed with the statistics. If someone examined your company and found that you now only sold boxes to sports teams that are predominantly white - that would look quite racist would it not? I don't think the details or your intentions would matter much.
      - mrkurt 6y ago
        "In this day and age" we can distinguish between someone being racist and systemic racism.
      - bravoetch 6y ago
        I don't think anyone would think that, because my policy is only to sell to teams that recycle. The details and intentions do matter. At a stretch, I can imagine a scenario where recycling companies were for some reason not giving people of color fair access, and that as a result they were being hurt down the chain by my business not supporting them now. Those are the kinds of systems we need to work to identify and change and they do exist.
  - AlexandrB 6y ago
    Ok, I'll bite. Have you looked at who actually owns NBA teams? It's mostly a bunch of white dudes[1]. So discriminating against the NBA as an organization would be discriminating against a bunch of white guys. Nobody is boycotting the individual employees here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_NBA#Owners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_NBA#...

What does that even mean? So it’s ok for corporations to discriminate? Maybe I missed the /sarcasm?

mrkurt 6y ago

I think they mean: discriminating against corporations is entirely different than discriminating against people.

xhkkffbf 6y ago
Except many corporations aren't particularly diverse. Discriminating against the NBA is going end up being pretty racially focused.
- 6AA4FD 6y ago
  https://careers.nba.com/employees/ https://careers.nba.com/employees/ this list might be cherry-picked, but this looks like a pretty (at least racially/phenotypically) diverse list of people. I assume you are actually thinking about NBA teams, but I wanted to bring this up to make the point that the NBA organization is not necessarily controlled by by a group of people representative of the players that you would rightly associate with it.
- bravoetch 6y ago
  > Discriminating against the NBA is going end up being pretty racially focused. To address your example, let's pretend that the NBA announces they no longer recycle. Then my business that sells cardboard boxes to the NBA announces in response that we will no longer sell boxes to the NBA. If you think that has anything to do with racism - I'm open to hearing it.
  - bricklebush 6y ago
    I think a trouble is that, in this day and age it seems that the outcome is what determines racism, sexism, ageism, etc. We're obsessed with the statistics. If someone examined your company and found that you now only sold boxes to sports teams that are predominantly white - that would look quite racist would it not? I don't think the details or your intentions would matter much.
    - mrkurt 6y ago
      "In this day and age" we can distinguish between someone being racist and systemic racism.
    - bravoetch 6y ago
      I don't think anyone would think that, because my policy is only to sell to teams that recycle. The details and intentions do matter. At a stretch, I can imagine a scenario where recycling companies were for some reason not giving people of color fair access, and that as a result they were being hurt down the chain by my business not supporting them now. Those are the kinds of systems we need to work to identify and change and they do exist.
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  Ok, I'll bite. Have you looked at who actually owns NBA teams? It's mostly a bunch of white dudes[1]. So discriminating against the NBA as an organization would be discriminating against a bunch of white guys. Nobody is boycotting the individual employees here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_NBA#Owners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_NBA#...