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> allow racists to explain their ideas and positions and the tenability of their position will be exposed for the naked fear and hatred that it is People are p

> allow racists to explain their ideas and positions and the tenability of their position will be exposed for the naked fear and hatred that it is People are pretty susceptible to passionate speech by charismatic figures; much more susceptible, in fact, than they are to facts. This just seems like an opportunity for racists to win hearts and minds. And anyway, there's tons of open and free debate on college campuses (at least, there was, when they existed in The Before Times), but generally it's debate about methodologies, not ideas. Everyone's more or less on the right (which is to say, left) side of history, they just have different ideas about, how to, for example, dismantle systemic racism, or end homelessness. Though probably the more frequent topics for debate are more along the lines of beer pong strategy.

bcgraham 6y ago
> People are pretty susceptible to passionate speech by charismatic figures; much more susceptible, in fact, than they are to facts. This just seems like an opportunity for racists to win hearts and minds. The unstated assumption of this premise is that some people (never us, always others) cannot be trusted to make good decisions, and thus need to have their decisions made for them, for their own good. It advocates for human subjugation.
- chadlavi 6y ago
  Saying it's a bad idea to invite racists to speak publicly about their racist ideologies on university campuses is human subjugation? ok pal.
  - celliopia 6y ago
    The OP was endorsing debates of ideas, not one-sided passionate speeches. In fact the example of a Lincoln-Douglas format was suggested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%E2%80%93Douglas_debates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%E2%80%93Douglas_debate...
- bachmeier 6y ago
  "The unstated assumption of this premise is that some people (never us, always others) cannot be trusted to make good decisions, and thus need to have their decisions made for them, for their own good." You can make good decisions if you have full information and you put a lot of time into it. I hope you're aware that not all racists are dedicated to the search for truth. Sometimes they tell partial truths, mislead, and lie.

bcgraham 6y ago

> People are pretty susceptible to passionate speech by charismatic figures; much more susceptible, in fact, than they are to facts. This just seems like an opportunity for racists to win hearts and minds. The unstated assumption of this premise is that some people (never us, always others) cannot be trusted to make good decisions, and thus need to have their decisions made for them, for their own good. It advocates for human subjugation.

chadlavi 6y ago
Saying it's a bad idea to invite racists to speak publicly about their racist ideologies on university campuses is human subjugation? ok pal.
- celliopia 6y ago
  The OP was endorsing debates of ideas, not one-sided passionate speeches. In fact the example of a Lincoln-Douglas format was suggested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%E2%80%93Douglas_debates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%E2%80%93Douglas_debate...
bachmeier 6y ago
"The unstated assumption of this premise is that some people (never us, always others) cannot be trusted to make good decisions, and thus need to have their decisions made for them, for their own good." You can make good decisions if you have full information and you put a lot of time into it. I hope you're aware that not all racists are dedicated to the search for truth. Sometimes they tell partial truths, mislead, and lie.