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> Stewart Baker, an attorney at the Washington, D.C. office of Steptoe & Johnson LLP and a former assistant secretary of policy at the U.S. Department of Homela

> Stewart Baker, an attorney at the Washington, D.C. office of Steptoe & Johnson LLP and a former assistant secretary of policy at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, said the BlueLeaks data is unlikely to shed much light on police misconduct, but could expose sensitive law enforcement investigations and even endanger lives. But then there was this: https://twitter.com/NatSecGeek/status/1273329710576152581 https://twitter.com/NatSecGeek/status/1273329710576152581

walrus01 6y ago
far-right extremist terrorism greatly outranked radical wahabbi/salafists and similar in 2018/2019, domestically, in the USA: https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-unite... https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2019/03/07/467022/confronting-domestic-right-wing-terrorist-threat/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/201... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/world/white-extremist-terrorism-christchurch.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/world/white-e... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-...
- gadders 6y ago
  I see that first link kind of buried the lede in footnote 2: " The number of casualties from attacks by Islamic extremists has been greater than by right-wing extremists, largely because of a few cases like Omar Mateen’s Pulse nightclub attack that killed 49 people and wounded 53 others." So right wing terrorism is a greater threat, unless you are worried about being killed.
  - some_furry 6y ago
    My read of what you quoted: White supremacists may be eager to hurt people, but that doesn't translate to lethality. (Nobody ever gave them credit for competence.)
  - walrus01 6y ago
    That 2018 article was, as I recall, published before the El Paso attack: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/right-wing-terrorist-killings-government-focus-jihadis-islamic-radicalism.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/right-wing-terro...
  - mc32 6y ago
    The other part of that is that extends further. And also has its mirror. Who poses a greater threat in Saudi Arabia, the local Wahhabis or foreign secularists? Who would get pursued? And who poses the greater threat to any community, the police (some of whom are brutal) or the local criminals, gangs and traffickers?
  - Swenrekcah 6y ago
    If you are killed it doesn't matter how many others died with you. I personally tend to be more worried about things that happen often and are widespread, than things that happen seldom and are more localized. But if asked "Are you more worried about right wing or islamist extremists?", my answer is "Yes".
    - walrus01 6y ago
      My concern from a priority and law enforcement perspective is that in the post-9/11 world, a great deal of funding and effort was put towards deterring and combating the latter. Whereas something that is well known and homegrown in the USA (Timothy McVeigh, anyone?) has had a much lower level of concern assigned to it until very recently.
      - ta17711771 6y ago
        > Timothy McVeigh Who did he work with again?
        pjc50 6y ago
        He had a couple of accomplices, but he was radicalised by the Waco fiasco and linked to what these days would be called the "milita movement".
        gadders 6y ago
        And the even bigger fiasco of Ruby Ridge.
        pjc50 6y ago
        So I had to refresh myself on the details of this via wikipedia, and with a 2020 eye it seems almost like the white version of complaints about police brutality per BLM. - victim becomes a martyr despite being "no angel" (Weaver was a white supremacist, dealing in illegal firearms) - initial involvement of law enforcement is entrapment (undercover ATF agents) - lies by law enforcement ("the ATF filed the gun charges in June 1990. It claimed that Weaver was a bank robber with criminal convictions.[27] (Those claims were false: at that time Weaver had no criminal record. The 1995 Senate investigation found: "Weaver was not a suspect in any bank robberies.") - basic cockups (court date mixup) - absurdly long quasi-siege - significantly lighter treatment and more investigation than similar fiascoes for nonwhite people (e.g. Breonna Taylor); the 2020 version of this would probably have just been to drive a MRAP through the shack and use the return fire as sufficient justification for the killings (see e.g. https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/31/actor-steven-seagal-sued-for-driving-tank-into-arizona-home-killing-puppy/#69e1ab5d7489 https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/31/actor-steve... ) - they shot the dog. They always shoot the dog - attempt to prosecute sniper is met with sovereign immunity, case is dropped
  - JshWright 6y ago
    The Venn diagram of "right-wing extremists" and "Islamic extremists" approaches a circle. This is especially true in an attack on the LGBT community.
    - Swenrekcah 6y ago
      I'm fairly certain that Venn diagram would be almost disjoint if representing individual people. But both groups are definately conservative and hold some of the same ideas. They both want the world and power they or their grandfathers had 50-150 years ago.
      - JshWright 6y ago
        Yeah, I suppose what I mean by that is if you took the ideologies of both (and abstracted out the language for the specific "god"), you would have a hard time distinguishing between them.
        walrus01 6y ago
        This is pretty much the point Atwood was trying to make in the original novel version of the Handmaid's tale, which depicts a Christian ultra fundamentalist version of the Taliban's brand of Sharia law. Even though it was written a while before 1994/1996. Of course fictionalized for dramatic effect.
- throwaway33904 6y ago
  And what about left-wing extremism? The far-right has been under a microscope since at least Obama took office. Trump's admin was probably too stupid to think of doing the same to the far-left, who have had near-total freedom. Have you not noticed that DAs in Seattle and Portland have just... let violent rioters go? That doesn't just happen. Lot of young, skinny, white faces, arrested and then released. I met neo-nazis when I was in jail. Those rioters do not look like the far-right. Not at all. Wrong tats, wrong build, wrong everything. Media claims those people were "white supremacists"... who live in Seattle, and were put back on the streets by Democrats? It makes no sense. It does make sense if they are Antifa. Statues of the general that defeated the confederacy (Grant) and of the President that kicked off the Progressive era (Teddy Rosevelt) have been toppled by angry mobs. So was Washington. People have been beaten, stabbed, and shot by these mobs. We are living through the start of an American cultural revolution. The resurgence of the Weather Underground.
  - some_furry 6y ago
    > And what about left-wing extremism? Whataboutism is a tactic that almost always borders on flame-baiting. I don't think HN is the venue for this kind of conduct.
    - ColanR 6y ago
      Or, in this case, it's making sure we're looking at the whole picture instead of the part we'd prefer to look at. If we're talking about domestic terror, it seems relevant.
      - anoraca 6y ago
        In this case it's a brand new account posting inflammatory claims with no references to back them up.
        tohnjitor 6y ago
        Where's the lie?
- austincheney 6y ago
  How are you differentiating Wahabbism from far right extremism? Most Muslims seem to consider Wahabbism both extreme and far right. Perhaps you mean racially versus ideologically or foreign compared to domestic or political versus religiously motivated? I looked at the articles you linked to. The New York Times mentions white extremist suggesting racially motivated but also mentions international terrorism instead of domestic terrorism. Your first source attempts to define right-wing extremism as a political motivation. That said your point isn’t very clear. If you are limiting your point to domestic US terrorism racially motivated terrorism greatly exceeds religiously motivated terrorism but the numbers are tiny either way. If you are talking internationally religiously motivated terrorism by far takes the lead when you consider that ISIS is a growing threat in Afghanistan and Pakistan and when you consider the various terrorist organizations in sub-Saharan Africa like Boko Haram. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism
  - IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
    You're trying really hard to not understand what he was clearly saying. "Right-wing extremism" was clearly intended to refer to the home-grown variety here. And how "tiny" the numbers are is somewhat subjective. Terrorism works by terrorizing, meaning its intended to affect far more people than the immediate victims by instilling fear. Just from the last few years, everyone will remember the Orlando nightclub shooting, the Pittsburgh synagogue, the Q/MAGA-superfan mailing pipe bombs, or the Poway synagogue shooting. There are many more that you may have forgotten on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010–19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States...
    - austincheney 6y ago
      > You're trying really hard to not understand what he was clearly saying. I am clearly reading from the material provided. Perhaps we have a difference in reading comprehension. > was clearly intended It is defined or it isn’t. I don’t like subjectively inventing definitions to fit a poorly framed argument.
bsanr2 6y ago
They said the same thing about Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden's leaks. Apparently, everything sensitive was so secret that if anyone was hurt or killed as a direct result of the leaks blowing their cover, we never heard about it. Several instances of appalling behavior (read: constituting war crimes) were exposed, though. Watch them find something KKK-related in here.
- ATsch 6y ago
  Yeah, this is a standard part of the spin at this point. If they really want to keep their means and methods secret, the way to do that would be by giving their internal complaints system enough teeth to never require leaking full documents in the first place.
- easterncalculus 6y ago
  I understand what you're saying about what was exposed, but do you really believe that intelligence leaks don't cost lives at some point? I find it harder to believe that identities of spies and TTP being publicized just has zero negative effect afterwards. Those people, though leaked, are likely still classified in some manner so there's no reason for the US or any government to admit that they've lost people or the upper hand in clandestine environments. Police departments, comparatively, are not that classified or secretive. It's definitely much more likely that there's evidence of undercover operations that were leaked by this, probably. Certainly much more likely than something KKK related, what makes you say that? I admittedly haven't looked to see how far back in time these files go, so something these days seems a little outlandish, at least from what I know right now.
  - belorn 6y ago
    The job of intelligence agencies are to gather intelligence and analyze the outcome. The publications that came out of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden was not published unannounced, nor was the content of the leaks unknown. Common practice is also to request comment on such content a few days before publications, even if intelligence agencies usually refuse to comment. In the case of Chelsea Manning, I recall they even asked the agency a few days ahead in helping them redacting names of people. So unless they are very bad at their job at gather intelligence and analyze outcomes, leaks don't cost lives unless they allow it. It like a pyromaniac telling the fire department the exact location (down to the meter) and exact time (down to the second), and what exact mechanism they intend to use to light a fire. The fire department will get annoyed and angry, and the police will likely show up, but the risk for someone to die in a fire is quite low.
aero142 6y ago
In a country of 330 million people, I'm sure both antifa violence and groups using antifa as cover or trying to attribute violence to antifa all exist. Showing one doesn't disprove the other. This is political narrative building, not good evidence.
everdrive 6y ago
I'm not sure very many police are deny what's claimed here, rather that the executive branch and some news channels are.
trentnix 6y ago
From the tweet you linked: Even the cops know random damage attributed to #antifa are really "white racially motivated violent extremists...posing as Antifa members." It is a distinction without a difference.
- smolder 6y ago
  No, it isn't. The difference is pretty clear.
  - trentnix 6y ago
    One rioter is an extreme-left white anti-capitalist agitator. And the other rioter is an extreme-left white anti-capitalist agitator with an Antifa membership card. Once again, it's a distinction without a difference.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      I don't see where you're getting "extreme-left white anti-capitalist" from the police description "white racially motivated violent extremists." 'round these parts at least, what they're describing is our local rural and suburban militia-types trying to false-flag violence to kick off what they perceive as an inevitable race war. By their own admission, the people who get caught burning cop cars and such are about as far away from left-wing as you can get. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/boogaloo-carrillo-oakland-murder-dave-underwood_n_5ee9378cc5b6fdae7db88f2a?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/boogaloo-carrillo-oakland-mur...
    - iron0013 6y ago
      “Antifa membership card”
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  I don't think I follow what you're saying. People accused of doing something and a false-flag op trying to get people accused of doing something is a distinction without a difference?
- 6y ago
r1508982927 6y ago
what you immediately get is politically motivated agents mining these documents in bad faith to find choice quotes to support their narrative. here's the rest of the document https://hunter.ddosecrets.com/entities/23477253.fa0f024f4d34be8982fc0f651d4998e03e487ce5 https://hunter.ddosecrets.com/entities/23477253.fa0f024f4d34... it also has quotes like “According to an FBI source, a chapter of a black racially motivated violent extremist group from Houston, Texas planned to arrive in Minneapolis, MN on 06/05/2020. The identified person who led the chapter does not personally use violence; however, he does incite others to violence.” or “A social media post indicated that Mauricelm-Lei Millere, founder of the African American Defense League, made a social media post announcing a $25,000 bounty for the death of the four Minneapolis officers. Mauricelm-Lei Millere posted multiple threats against law enforcement. Mauricelm-Lei Millere’s location is Washington, D.C.; however, it is unknown if he is currently the Twin Cities metro area.” but more importantly what is this document supposed to be? it's intelligence gathering giving necessary background on Minnesota riots situation. it's unlikely that the document is in any way exhaustive in scale or that it points at primary movers behind various incidents. given the scale of riots, it's slim, and only gives visibility into what leos already have visibility into, i.e. social media accounts and OMGs, which have been fbi monitored and infiltrated since at least the 70s. in other words it says "the usual suspects are also at it", but "NatSecGeek" is trying to frame it like "the usual suspects are behind it".

walrus01 6y ago

far-right extremist terrorism greatly outranked radical wahabbi/salafists and similar in 2018/2019, domestically, in the USA: https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-unite... https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2019/03/07/467022/confronting-domestic-right-wing-terrorist-threat/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/201... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/world/white-extremist-terrorism-christchurch.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/world/white-e... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-...

gadders 6y ago
I see that first link kind of buried the lede in footnote 2: " The number of casualties from attacks by Islamic extremists has been greater than by right-wing extremists, largely because of a few cases like Omar Mateen’s Pulse nightclub attack that killed 49 people and wounded 53 others." So right wing terrorism is a greater threat, unless you are worried about being killed.
- some_furry 6y ago
  My read of what you quoted: White supremacists may be eager to hurt people, but that doesn't translate to lethality. (Nobody ever gave them credit for competence.)
- walrus01 6y ago
  That 2018 article was, as I recall, published before the El Paso attack: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/right-wing-terrorist-killings-government-focus-jihadis-islamic-radicalism.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/right-wing-terro...
- mc32 6y ago
  The other part of that is that extends further. And also has its mirror. Who poses a greater threat in Saudi Arabia, the local Wahhabis or foreign secularists? Who would get pursued? And who poses the greater threat to any community, the police (some of whom are brutal) or the local criminals, gangs and traffickers?
- Swenrekcah 6y ago
  If you are killed it doesn't matter how many others died with you. I personally tend to be more worried about things that happen often and are widespread, than things that happen seldom and are more localized. But if asked "Are you more worried about right wing or islamist extremists?", my answer is "Yes".
  - walrus01 6y ago
    My concern from a priority and law enforcement perspective is that in the post-9/11 world, a great deal of funding and effort was put towards deterring and combating the latter. Whereas something that is well known and homegrown in the USA (Timothy McVeigh, anyone?) has had a much lower level of concern assigned to it until very recently.
    - ta17711771 6y ago
      > Timothy McVeigh Who did he work with again?
      - pjc50 6y ago
        He had a couple of accomplices, but he was radicalised by the Waco fiasco and linked to what these days would be called the "milita movement".
        gadders 6y ago
        And the even bigger fiasco of Ruby Ridge.
        pjc50 6y ago
        So I had to refresh myself on the details of this via wikipedia, and with a 2020 eye it seems almost like the white version of complaints about police brutality per BLM. - victim becomes a martyr despite being "no angel" (Weaver was a white supremacist, dealing in illegal firearms) - initial involvement of law enforcement is entrapment (undercover ATF agents) - lies by law enforcement ("the ATF filed the gun charges in June 1990. It claimed that Weaver was a bank robber with criminal convictions.[27] (Those claims were false: at that time Weaver had no criminal record. The 1995 Senate investigation found: "Weaver was not a suspect in any bank robberies.") - basic cockups (court date mixup) - absurdly long quasi-siege - significantly lighter treatment and more investigation than similar fiascoes for nonwhite people (e.g. Breonna Taylor); the 2020 version of this would probably have just been to drive a MRAP through the shack and use the return fire as sufficient justification for the killings (see e.g. https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/31/actor-steven-seagal-sued-for-driving-tank-into-arizona-home-killing-puppy/#69e1ab5d7489 https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/31/actor-steve... ) - they shot the dog. They always shoot the dog - attempt to prosecute sniper is met with sovereign immunity, case is dropped
- JshWright 6y ago
  The Venn diagram of "right-wing extremists" and "Islamic extremists" approaches a circle. This is especially true in an attack on the LGBT community.
  - Swenrekcah 6y ago
    I'm fairly certain that Venn diagram would be almost disjoint if representing individual people. But both groups are definately conservative and hold some of the same ideas. They both want the world and power they or their grandfathers had 50-150 years ago.
    - JshWright 6y ago
      Yeah, I suppose what I mean by that is if you took the ideologies of both (and abstracted out the language for the specific "god"), you would have a hard time distinguishing between them.
      - walrus01 6y ago
        This is pretty much the point Atwood was trying to make in the original novel version of the Handmaid's tale, which depicts a Christian ultra fundamentalist version of the Taliban's brand of Sharia law. Even though it was written a while before 1994/1996. Of course fictionalized for dramatic effect.
throwaway33904 6y ago
And what about left-wing extremism? The far-right has been under a microscope since at least Obama took office. Trump's admin was probably too stupid to think of doing the same to the far-left, who have had near-total freedom. Have you not noticed that DAs in Seattle and Portland have just... let violent rioters go? That doesn't just happen. Lot of young, skinny, white faces, arrested and then released. I met neo-nazis when I was in jail. Those rioters do not look like the far-right. Not at all. Wrong tats, wrong build, wrong everything. Media claims those people were "white supremacists"... who live in Seattle, and were put back on the streets by Democrats? It makes no sense. It does make sense if they are Antifa. Statues of the general that defeated the confederacy (Grant) and of the President that kicked off the Progressive era (Teddy Rosevelt) have been toppled by angry mobs. So was Washington. People have been beaten, stabbed, and shot by these mobs. We are living through the start of an American cultural revolution. The resurgence of the Weather Underground.
- some_furry 6y ago
  > And what about left-wing extremism? Whataboutism is a tactic that almost always borders on flame-baiting. I don't think HN is the venue for this kind of conduct.
  - ColanR 6y ago
    Or, in this case, it's making sure we're looking at the whole picture instead of the part we'd prefer to look at. If we're talking about domestic terror, it seems relevant.
    - anoraca 6y ago
      In this case it's a brand new account posting inflammatory claims with no references to back them up.
      - tohnjitor 6y ago
        Where's the lie?
austincheney 6y ago
How are you differentiating Wahabbism from far right extremism? Most Muslims seem to consider Wahabbism both extreme and far right. Perhaps you mean racially versus ideologically or foreign compared to domestic or political versus religiously motivated? I looked at the articles you linked to. The New York Times mentions white extremist suggesting racially motivated but also mentions international terrorism instead of domestic terrorism. Your first source attempts to define right-wing extremism as a political motivation. That said your point isn’t very clear. If you are limiting your point to domestic US terrorism racially motivated terrorism greatly exceeds religiously motivated terrorism but the numbers are tiny either way. If you are talking internationally religiously motivated terrorism by far takes the lead when you consider that ISIS is a growing threat in Afghanistan and Pakistan and when you consider the various terrorist organizations in sub-Saharan Africa like Boko Haram. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism
- IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
  You're trying really hard to not understand what he was clearly saying. "Right-wing extremism" was clearly intended to refer to the home-grown variety here. And how "tiny" the numbers are is somewhat subjective. Terrorism works by terrorizing, meaning its intended to affect far more people than the immediate victims by instilling fear. Just from the last few years, everyone will remember the Orlando nightclub shooting, the Pittsburgh synagogue, the Q/MAGA-superfan mailing pipe bombs, or the Poway synagogue shooting. There are many more that you may have forgotten on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010–19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States...
  - austincheney 6y ago
    > You're trying really hard to not understand what he was clearly saying. I am clearly reading from the material provided. Perhaps we have a difference in reading comprehension. > was clearly intended It is defined or it isn’t. I don’t like subjectively inventing definitions to fit a poorly framed argument.

bsanr2 6y ago

They said the same thing about Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden's leaks. Apparently, everything sensitive was so secret that if anyone was hurt or killed as a direct result of the leaks blowing their cover, we never heard about it. Several instances of appalling behavior (read: constituting war crimes) were exposed, though. Watch them find something KKK-related in here.

ATsch 6y ago
Yeah, this is a standard part of the spin at this point. If they really want to keep their means and methods secret, the way to do that would be by giving their internal complaints system enough teeth to never require leaking full documents in the first place.
easterncalculus 6y ago
I understand what you're saying about what was exposed, but do you really believe that intelligence leaks don't cost lives at some point? I find it harder to believe that identities of spies and TTP being publicized just has zero negative effect afterwards. Those people, though leaked, are likely still classified in some manner so there's no reason for the US or any government to admit that they've lost people or the upper hand in clandestine environments. Police departments, comparatively, are not that classified or secretive. It's definitely much more likely that there's evidence of undercover operations that were leaked by this, probably. Certainly much more likely than something KKK related, what makes you say that? I admittedly haven't looked to see how far back in time these files go, so something these days seems a little outlandish, at least from what I know right now.
- belorn 6y ago
  The job of intelligence agencies are to gather intelligence and analyze the outcome. The publications that came out of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden was not published unannounced, nor was the content of the leaks unknown. Common practice is also to request comment on such content a few days before publications, even if intelligence agencies usually refuse to comment. In the case of Chelsea Manning, I recall they even asked the agency a few days ahead in helping them redacting names of people. So unless they are very bad at their job at gather intelligence and analyze outcomes, leaks don't cost lives unless they allow it. It like a pyromaniac telling the fire department the exact location (down to the meter) and exact time (down to the second), and what exact mechanism they intend to use to light a fire. The fire department will get annoyed and angry, and the police will likely show up, but the risk for someone to die in a fire is quite low.

aero142 6y ago

In a country of 330 million people, I'm sure both antifa violence and groups using antifa as cover or trying to attribute violence to antifa all exist. Showing one doesn't disprove the other. This is political narrative building, not good evidence.

everdrive 6y ago

I'm not sure very many police are deny what's claimed here, rather that the executive branch and some news channels are.

trentnix 6y ago

From the tweet you linked: Even the cops know random damage attributed to #antifa are really "white racially motivated violent extremists...posing as Antifa members." It is a distinction without a difference.

smolder 6y ago
No, it isn't. The difference is pretty clear.
- trentnix 6y ago
  One rioter is an extreme-left white anti-capitalist agitator. And the other rioter is an extreme-left white anti-capitalist agitator with an Antifa membership card. Once again, it's a distinction without a difference.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    I don't see where you're getting "extreme-left white anti-capitalist" from the police description "white racially motivated violent extremists." 'round these parts at least, what they're describing is our local rural and suburban militia-types trying to false-flag violence to kick off what they perceive as an inevitable race war. By their own admission, the people who get caught burning cop cars and such are about as far away from left-wing as you can get. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/boogaloo-carrillo-oakland-murder-dave-underwood_n_5ee9378cc5b6fdae7db88f2a?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/boogaloo-carrillo-oakland-mur...
  - iron0013 6y ago
    “Antifa membership card”
shadowgovt 6y ago
I don't think I follow what you're saying. People accused of doing something and a false-flag op trying to get people accused of doing something is a distinction without a difference?
6y ago

r1508982927 6y ago

what you immediately get is politically motivated agents mining these documents in bad faith to find choice quotes to support their narrative. here's the rest of the document https://hunter.ddosecrets.com/entities/23477253.fa0f024f4d34be8982fc0f651d4998e03e487ce5 https://hunter.ddosecrets.com/entities/23477253.fa0f024f4d34... it also has quotes like “According to an FBI source, a chapter of a black racially motivated violent extremist group from Houston, Texas planned to arrive in Minneapolis, MN on 06/05/2020. The identified person who led the chapter does not personally use violence; however, he does incite others to violence.” or “A social media post indicated that Mauricelm-Lei Millere, founder of the African American Defense League, made a social media post announcing a $25,000 bounty for the death of the four Minneapolis officers. Mauricelm-Lei Millere posted multiple threats against law enforcement. Mauricelm-Lei Millere’s location is Washington, D.C.; however, it is unknown if he is currently the Twin Cities metro area.” but more importantly what is this document supposed to be? it's intelligence gathering giving necessary background on Minnesota riots situation. it's unlikely that the document is in any way exhaustive in scale or that it points at primary movers behind various incidents. given the scale of riots, it's slim, and only gives visibility into what leos already have visibility into, i.e. social media accounts and OMGs, which have been fbi monitored and infiltrated since at least the 70s. in other words it says "the usual suspects are also at it", but "NatSecGeek" is trying to frame it like "the usual suspects are behind it".