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Yet Apple can't even make a working keyboard.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago
They can, they just compromised on an overengineered but stupid design so that they could shave off half a mm on their laptop thickness.
neilalexander 6y ago
They made working keyboards for years and have gone back to doing so. The bit in the middle was a blip.
- m463 6y ago
  nah. the "gone back" wasn't far enough. I liked say the first generation macbook pro, with concave keys and longer throw (although the creaky case was not as nice as the sculpted aluminum ones) I had a friend with an old old powerbook and the key shape reminded me of a thinkpad. They can do it, but the flat short throw keys are too form over function.
  - ArgyleSound 6y ago
    I, for one, prefer a keyboard that is comfortable to type on even if doesn’t have the greatest travel over a significantly thicker laptop.
  - wlll 6y ago
    I still use a 2014 era Apple wireless keyboard and prefer it over any of the mechanical variants I’ve tried. Key travel distance is a personal metric.
    - m463 6y ago
      the first macbook pro didn't have THAT long a throw. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/MacBook_Pro.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/MacBook_...
      - wlll 6y ago
        Right, I had that mac and the KB was fine, as is the 2014 wireless model I have, despice neother being long throw. I'm fine with short throw, it's a preference. The 2016 keyboard fiasco was too far for me though, and even now with my 16" 2019 mac with the "fixed" keyboard, I still prefer the wireless 2014 model, or the KB from my 2014 MBP.
rorykoehler 6y ago
I’ve had many macs and all the keyboards have been best in class. I just skipped buying a model with the bad keyboard. That was made possible by the fact that their laptops have serious longevity so I could just hold onto machine until they fixed it.
foldr 6y ago
Butterfly keyboard works fine for me. It's actually my favorite MacBook keyboard so far.
- turtlebits 6y ago
  Agreed. I have both the 2019 16" and 2018 15" side by side, I greatly prefer the butterfly keyboard.

They can, they just compromised on an overengineered but stupid design so that they could shave off half a mm on their laptop thickness.

neilalexander 6y ago

They made working keyboards for years and have gone back to doing so. The bit in the middle was a blip.

m463 6y ago
nah. the "gone back" wasn't far enough. I liked say the first generation macbook pro, with concave keys and longer throw (although the creaky case was not as nice as the sculpted aluminum ones) I had a friend with an old old powerbook and the key shape reminded me of a thinkpad. They can do it, but the flat short throw keys are too form over function.
- ArgyleSound 6y ago
  I, for one, prefer a keyboard that is comfortable to type on even if doesn’t have the greatest travel over a significantly thicker laptop.
- wlll 6y ago
  I still use a 2014 era Apple wireless keyboard and prefer it over any of the mechanical variants I’ve tried. Key travel distance is a personal metric.
  - m463 6y ago
    the first macbook pro didn't have THAT long a throw. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/MacBook_Pro.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/MacBook_...
    - wlll 6y ago
      Right, I had that mac and the KB was fine, as is the 2014 wireless model I have, despice neother being long throw. I'm fine with short throw, it's a preference. The 2016 keyboard fiasco was too far for me though, and even now with my 16" 2019 mac with the "fixed" keyboard, I still prefer the wireless 2014 model, or the KB from my 2014 MBP.

rorykoehler 6y ago

I’ve had many macs and all the keyboards have been best in class. I just skipped buying a model with the bad keyboard. That was made possible by the fact that their laptops have serious longevity so I could just hold onto machine until they fixed it.

foldr 6y ago

Butterfly keyboard works fine for me. It's actually my favorite MacBook keyboard so far.

turtlebits 6y ago
Agreed. I have both the 2019 16" and 2018 15" side by side, I greatly prefer the butterfly keyboard.