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They need to replace the Apple Developer Tools lead next. He's been at Apple forever—around 30 years now—and he's gone insane. The Xcode 4 interface should not
by wtn 16y ago
They need to replace the Apple Developer Tools lead next. He's been at Apple forever—around 30 years now—and he's gone insane.
The Xcode 4 interface should not imitate iTunes.
- dot 16y agoi'm still hoping i'll get used to it. i can't believe steve doesnt make the xcode team take on an interface designer.
- stevejohnson 16y agoYou really think the developer tools team doesn't have a UI designer?
- leon_ 16y agoAt least the one they've got got pretty disconnected from the developer's point of view. When I want to build my project I do not want to press a play button.
- YooLi 16y agoMe thinks you haven't been programming long if you don't know what the green triangle does. It's been a "play button" for over a decade.
- ForensicPics 16y agoThe green button RUNS the program, building it first if necessary. Where did he say he wants to run the program?
- pennig 16y agoWhat kind of button would you want to press?
- snotrockets 16y ago\C-c c
- jshen 16y agoreally, cause that's exactly what button I look for when I'm in an IDE trying to figure out how to run a project. I'm sitting here looking at intellij which has a 'play' button for running code.
- ForensicPics 16y agoHe said BUILD, not RUN.
- pohl 16y agoI just checked Eclipse: Green circle with a white, right-pointing triangle. Then I checked Netbeans: Green right-pointing triangle. Both of these are unmistakable icons for 'play'. Edit: I even googled for screenshots of Visual Studio...green right-facing triangle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vs2010rtm.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vs2010rtm.png Could there be a more universal idiom in the world of IDEs?
- ForensicPics 16y agoGuys, try reading his post: "When I want to build my project I do not want to press a play button." He said BUILD, not RUN. A Play button is to build and RUN the project. I agree with his objection: There's no Build button in the UI. And even worse is the width of the combined drop-down list for configurations. There's a vast expanse of empty space in the (now non-customizable) toolbar, and they made this control SMALLER. The information it should be providing is cut off in all cases, even with short project names. I try to be sympathetic to the Xcode team's tasks, but this is idiotic.
- jonhendry 16y agoI think the problem is more that they change the design too often. Maybe this is because they get a new interface designer who has new ideas. But then they end up doing things like throwing out a working documentation viewer and replacing it with a new design that doesn't work.
- astrange 16y agoDo you mean Chris Espinosa? He isn't working on Xcode.
- stevejohnson 16y agoAnd is definitely not insane.
- ForensicPics 16y agoAnd Chris is a reasonable guy.
- ForensicPics 16y ago"The Xcode 4 interface should not imitate iTunes." The new design has its problems, but this kind of feedback isn't specific enough. The team did try to clean up the mess, and were successful in some areas. A modern, single-window design is laudable. But the document handling is just abysmal, as it has always been in Xcode. The tabs don't make sense (they're even upside-down); the "counterpart" button is gone; you can't split the editor without invoking this misguided "assistant"; error messages appear in this narrow column on the left, so of course they're truncated to the point of uselessness and if you go to the results and put them in the main editing pane, it doesn't pull up the relevant source code at the same time. Aside from the document-handling fiasco, there are lots of plain old bugs in Xcode 4. Worst of all is that it simply won't build a lot of projects that worked fine in Xcode 3, stopping people's work in its tracks.
- jonhendry 16y agoI think it is probably imitating Instruments, which imitates iTunes.