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No - the CoC says nothing about being welcoming or respectful of other opinions, just of people.

by geofft 6y ago

maallooc 6y ago
"When we disagree, try to understand why. Disagreements, both social and technical, happen all the time and FreeBSD is no exception. It is important that we resolve disagreements and differing views constructively. [...] Being unable to understand why someone holds a viewpoint doesn't mean that they're wrong." Yeah, I'm sure they tell their people to be respectful of others' opinions. "Remember that we're different. The strength of FreeBSD comes from its varied community, people from a wide range of backgrounds. Different people have different perspectives on issues. " And welcoming too.
- geofft 6y ago
  No, that does not say to be respectful of other's opinions. It says to resolve disagreements constructively. "When will this madness end" is not an opinion that can in any way be resolved constructively - so it merits no respect. Here's an obvious example of why your reinterpretation doesn't match the CoC: once a disagreement is resolved and you pick some answer, should you still respect the opinion "I don't like that decision"? If it comes with some new argument as to why the decision was wrong, yes, but if it's just "I still hold my original opinion," there's nothing to be gained by respecting the original opinion. As the CoC says, "It is important that we resolve disagreements." (I guess the question is, what does it mean to respect an opinion, exactly? Can you dismiss an opinion from further consideration while still respecting it?) Or another example: my opinion is that the GPL is a better license than the BSD one, but if I go to FreeBSD and tell them that, I am under no impression that they're bound to respect my opinion. I imagine that they will respect me as a person and my background that's led me to that conclusion - and they'll tell me that I should contribute to a different project that is under the GPL. Most FreeBSD users and contributors I know respect Linux and the people who contribute to it. They just also see a value in having their own project that has a different set of opinions.
  - maallooc 6y ago
    Who gave you the authority to judge whether a speech is an opinion? "When will this madness end?" is an opinion, that this is a madness. Simple as that. Also, if you go to freebsd and tout about GPL, they will still respect your opinion. They won't agree with it, but that doesn't mean respect.
    - geofft 6y ago
      I certainly agree that "When will this madness end" is an opinion. I did not judge that it was not. I said that it "was not an opinion that can in any way be resolved constructively." (I'm a little confused now in that this is the second comment of mine you've replied to where you've misinterpreted the words I used. Are you not a fluent English speaker? I'm certainly happy to phrase things in less complex ways if so.)
dependenttypes 6y ago
It would actually be great if you applied this to yourself. I do not think that calling people pedophiles and mis-gendering them is being welcoming to people.

No - the CoC says nothing about being welcoming or respectful of other opinions, just of people.

by geofft 6y ago

No - the CoC says nothing about being welcoming or respectful of other opinions, just of people.

"When we disagree, try to understand why. Disagreements, both social and technical, happen all the time and FreeBSD is no exception. It is important that we resolve disagreements and differing views constructively. [...] Being unable to understand why someone holds a viewpoint doesn't mean that they're wrong." Yeah, I'm sure they tell their people to be respectful of others' opinions. "Remember that we're different. The strength of FreeBSD comes from its varied community, people from a wide range of backgrounds. Different people have different perspectives on issues. " And welcoming too.

geofft 6y ago
No, that does not say to be respectful of other's opinions. It says to resolve disagreements constructively. "When will this madness end" is not an opinion that can in any way be resolved constructively - so it merits no respect. Here's an obvious example of why your reinterpretation doesn't match the CoC: once a disagreement is resolved and you pick some answer, should you still respect the opinion "I don't like that decision"? If it comes with some new argument as to why the decision was wrong, yes, but if it's just "I still hold my original opinion," there's nothing to be gained by respecting the original opinion. As the CoC says, "It is important that we resolve disagreements." (I guess the question is, what does it mean to respect an opinion, exactly? Can you dismiss an opinion from further consideration while still respecting it?) Or another example: my opinion is that the GPL is a better license than the BSD one, but if I go to FreeBSD and tell them that, I am under no impression that they're bound to respect my opinion. I imagine that they will respect me as a person and my background that's led me to that conclusion - and they'll tell me that I should contribute to a different project that is under the GPL. Most FreeBSD users and contributors I know respect Linux and the people who contribute to it. They just also see a value in having their own project that has a different set of opinions.
- maallooc 6y ago
  Who gave you the authority to judge whether a speech is an opinion? "When will this madness end?" is an opinion, that this is a madness. Simple as that. Also, if you go to freebsd and tout about GPL, they will still respect your opinion. They won't agree with it, but that doesn't mean respect.
  - geofft 6y ago
    I certainly agree that "When will this madness end" is an opinion. I did not judge that it was not. I said that it "was not an opinion that can in any way be resolved constructively." (I'm a little confused now in that this is the second comment of mine you've replied to where you've misinterpreted the words I used. Are you not a fluent English speaker? I'm certainly happy to phrase things in less complex ways if so.)

dependenttypes 6y ago

It would actually be great if you applied this to yourself. I do not think that calling people pedophiles and mis-gendering them is being welcoming to people.