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This is absolute craziness, especially when far more offensive terms are used throughout (the devil logo, demons, gimp, git, execute, terminal, disabled). "The

This is absolute craziness, especially when far more offensive terms are used throughout (the devil logo, demons, gimp, git, execute, terminal, disabled). "The gimp executable" is far far more off-sounding then "master boot record."

JoshTriplett 6y ago
https://glimpse-editor.org/ https://glimpse-editor.org/
- haunter 6y ago
  On the other hand it's also a good example why Linux will be never a thing on desktop. So many resources divided between developers instead of working together and focusing on one thing. But that's also the case with the millions of different desktop environments and package managers and such etc. Sometimes less is more
marcinzm 6y ago
You miss the point. This isn't about offensive language. This is about language that conveys exclusion of marginalized groups. To view this as a case of people being offended does a disservice to the overall social issues these groups deal with.
- torstenvl 6y ago
  You seem to be saying that master boot record "conveys exclusion of marginalized groups" but gimp (an offensive term for someone who is physically disabled) does not. I don't initially come to the same conclusion as you on this. Would you be willing to talk me through your thought process?
  - marcinzm 6y ago
    You gave multiple examples many of which were not about marginalized groups. It's clear that your problem was offense and not marginalized groups. Thus my comment. Gimp is also not used in the context of someone who is disabled while master is used in the context of something which is in control. But personally I do feel gimp should be renamed as well.
  - stephenr 6y ago
    That usage of the term gimp is American slang. The terms master and slave are dictionary terms, and their usage is generally a similar meaning to the historical acts at the root of the issue.
SllX 6y ago
In the case of git, Linus did what he did with Linux and named it after himself. EDIT: https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8 https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8 I didn’t watch through it again to confirm, but if my memory isn’t failing me, it was this talk where he mentioned his naming strategy.
cbsks 6y ago
If those terms bother you, feel free to open some code reviews to change them too! Personally I don’t care either way. But if it impacts someone negatively then why not do the decent thing and change it? It’s such an easy fix.
- torstenvl 6y ago
  Who was negatively impacted by the term "master boot record" before? Can you point to even one tweet or blog post before a month ago where someone said that it bothered them and made them feel excluded?
blastonico 6y ago
I feel like living in a big South Park episode.
- verdverm 6y ago
  I'm rewatching and it's amazing how good their commentary is I really miss Jon Stewart

JoshTriplett 6y ago

https://glimpse-editor.org/ https://glimpse-editor.org/

haunter 6y ago
On the other hand it's also a good example why Linux will be never a thing on desktop. So many resources divided between developers instead of working together and focusing on one thing. But that's also the case with the millions of different desktop environments and package managers and such etc. Sometimes less is more

marcinzm 6y ago

You miss the point. This isn't about offensive language. This is about language that conveys exclusion of marginalized groups. To view this as a case of people being offended does a disservice to the overall social issues these groups deal with.

torstenvl 6y ago
You seem to be saying that master boot record "conveys exclusion of marginalized groups" but gimp (an offensive term for someone who is physically disabled) does not. I don't initially come to the same conclusion as you on this. Would you be willing to talk me through your thought process?
- marcinzm 6y ago
  You gave multiple examples many of which were not about marginalized groups. It's clear that your problem was offense and not marginalized groups. Thus my comment. Gimp is also not used in the context of someone who is disabled while master is used in the context of something which is in control. But personally I do feel gimp should be renamed as well.
- stephenr 6y ago
  That usage of the term gimp is American slang. The terms master and slave are dictionary terms, and their usage is generally a similar meaning to the historical acts at the root of the issue.

SllX 6y ago

In the case of git, Linus did what he did with Linux and named it after himself. EDIT: https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8 https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8 I didn’t watch through it again to confirm, but if my memory isn’t failing me, it was this talk where he mentioned his naming strategy.

cbsks 6y ago

If those terms bother you, feel free to open some code reviews to change them too! Personally I don’t care either way. But if it impacts someone negatively then why not do the decent thing and change it? It’s such an easy fix.

torstenvl 6y ago
Who was negatively impacted by the term "master boot record" before? Can you point to even one tweet or blog post before a month ago where someone said that it bothered them and made them feel excluded?

blastonico 6y ago

I feel like living in a big South Park episode.

verdverm 6y ago
I'm rewatching and it's amazing how good their commentary is I really miss Jon Stewart