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Supernatural intelligence does not exist and in particular it does not emerge from bureaucracies.

by epx 6y ago

brnt 6y ago
Then what is primary and secondary schooling about? While not perfect, it emerges from bureaucracy and it does achieve things that many parents did not (such as literacy).
- antepodius 6y ago
  I would argue that secondary schooling is worse the more bureauceacy is involved, and mostly exists as a prison for kids/young adults so society doesn't have to do anything with them. Primary schooling is fine, as long as everyone comes out literate and numerate.
  - joveian 6y ago
    But don't start too early either: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/201003/when-less-is-more-the-case-teaching-less-math-in-school https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/201003... I would say schools in general are more about warehousing kids than learning, although some kids do end up learning things they wouldn't have otherwise (while others end up not being able to learn things they would have learned otherwise). Related to this discussion, several secular intentional communities in the US have attempted communal child raising and as far as I am aware all stopped after finding it to be worse than having parents be primary caregivers. Twin Oaks is the one I remember by name if anyone wants to go looking for info; I know their experience has been written about in books, I don't know if there is anything online. I am sure there were at least two other such attempts but I can't remember the communities right now. It seems kids really need at least one and not too many primary caregivers. Foster care in the few states I know about in the US has serious problems. The interests of governments are not usually aligned with the interests of humans. Parents do learn from the experiences of other parents and people everywhere are always looking for ways to do that better, but there are enough things that just don't work well that being too organized about it is likely to be counterproductive.

Supernatural intelligence does not exist and in particular it does not emerge from bureaucracies.

by epx 6y ago

Supernatural intelligence does not exist and in particular it does not emerge from bureaucracies.

brnt 6y ago

Then what is primary and secondary schooling about? While not perfect, it emerges from bureaucracy and it does achieve things that many parents did not (such as literacy).

antepodius 6y ago
I would argue that secondary schooling is worse the more bureauceacy is involved, and mostly exists as a prison for kids/young adults so society doesn't have to do anything with them. Primary schooling is fine, as long as everyone comes out literate and numerate.
- joveian 6y ago
  But don't start too early either: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/201003/when-less-is-more-the-case-teaching-less-math-in-school https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/201003... I would say schools in general are more about warehousing kids than learning, although some kids do end up learning things they wouldn't have otherwise (while others end up not being able to learn things they would have learned otherwise). Related to this discussion, several secular intentional communities in the US have attempted communal child raising and as far as I am aware all stopped after finding it to be worse than having parents be primary caregivers. Twin Oaks is the one I remember by name if anyone wants to go looking for info; I know their experience has been written about in books, I don't know if there is anything online. I am sure there were at least two other such attempts but I can't remember the communities right now. It seems kids really need at least one and not too many primary caregivers. Foster care in the few states I know about in the US has serious problems. The interests of governments are not usually aligned with the interests of humans. Parents do learn from the experiences of other parents and people everywhere are always looking for ways to do that better, but there are enough things that just don't work well that being too organized about it is likely to be counterproductive.