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Here we go again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivi... "The majority o

Here we go again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivi... "The majority of provocation trials to date have found that such claimants are unable to distinguish between exposure and non-exposure to electromagnetic fields. A systematic review of medical research in 2011 found no convincing scientific evidence for symptoms being caused by electromagnetic fields. Since then, several double-blind experiments have shown that people who report electromagnetic hypersensitivity are unable to detect the presence of electromagnetic fields and are as likely to report ill health following a sham exposure as they are following exposure to genuine electromagnetic fields, suggesting the cause in these cases to be the nocebo effect." Wikipedia article has links to scientific studies.

triyambakam 6y ago
Eh, I don't really care. I am not harming anyone by offering this for her. If she feels better and I have fun then it's a good time.
- gspr 6y ago
  > I am not harming anyone by offering this for her. If she feels better and I have fun then it's a good time. Some would say you're harming your wife's understanding of reality, but that's a private matter for you and her. However, by sharing it on the Internet, you are potentially spreading this bullshit, and you must expect reasonable voices to counter your claim.
  - minerjoe 6y ago
    Reasonable voices would not be so quick to comdemn. Please try to understand that we are just beginning to discover the non-thermal effects of electromagnetic fields, and the science is not looking too good for the wireless industry, which will fight tooth and nail to discredit any findings that would cut into their billions. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323998588_Wi-Fi_is_an_important_threat_to_human_health https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323998588_Wi-Fi_is_... Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305691437_Electromagnetic_Fields_Act_Similarly_in_Plants_as_in_Animals_Probable_Activation_of_Calcium_Channels_via_Their_Voltage_Sensor https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305691437_Electroma... Electromagnetic Fields Act Similarly in Plants as in Animals: Probable Activation of Calcium Channels via Their Voltage Sensor https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283017154_How_to_Approach_the_Challenge_of_Minimizing_Non-Thermal_Health_Effects_of_Microwave_Radiation_from_Electrical_Devices" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283017154_How_to_Ap... How to Approach the Challenge of Minimizing Non-Thermal Health Effects of Microwave Radiation from Electrical Devices
    - gspr 6y ago
      > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323998588_Wi-Fi_is_.. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323998588_Wi-Fi_is_.... > > Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health Pall's methodology and understanding of EM has been critized broadly and repeatedly. Here's an "official" rebuttal to the paper you cite: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328436881_Response_to_Pall_Wi-Fi_is_an_important_threat_to_human_health https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328436881_Response_... The rest of the papers you cite are by the same highly controversial biochemist. At any rate, the discussion at hand is whether "EMF sensitivity" is a real condition. It patently is not. Anyone with such a condition would easily be able to collect the large monetary rewards that have been made available, and simultaneously immediately lift the social stigma they must feel. The fact that they do not speaks volumes.
      - minerjoe 6y ago
        Yea, cherry picking, me. Note that the rebuttal does not refute Pall's biomechanical thories, or say that there are no non-thermal effects, but that we need more thorough research, and that this research is not being funded. The precautionary principal (ignored in the USA, it seems), would indicate that we should be cautious and not quick to dismiss.
    - triyambakam 6y ago
      Thanks for sharing the research! You might like the YouTube channel Scottiestech.info Do you have any other way of connecting? Your profile 'about' is very interesting - it'd be great to talk more about hacking and planting trees. You can reach me at the email in my profile.
      - minerjoe 6y ago
        Hello triyambakam. I'm still setting up my email (moving from gmail) but you can reach me at my username @ protonmail.com.
Krssst 6y ago
One point I am wondering about is if the symptoms could be caused by an actual disease (unrelated to EM) that would need treatment, but is not because the affected person is convinced that the cause is EM exposure. However, I guess people usually turn to unproven treatments once medicine failed several times to treat their symptoms, so they likely already went to a regular doctor several times beforehand, ruling out any easily discoverable disease.

triyambakam 6y ago

Eh, I don't really care. I am not harming anyone by offering this for her. If she feels better and I have fun then it's a good time.

gspr 6y ago
> I am not harming anyone by offering this for her. If she feels better and I have fun then it's a good time. Some would say you're harming your wife's understanding of reality, but that's a private matter for you and her. However, by sharing it on the Internet, you are potentially spreading this bullshit, and you must expect reasonable voices to counter your claim.
- minerjoe 6y ago
  Reasonable voices would not be so quick to comdemn. Please try to understand that we are just beginning to discover the non-thermal effects of electromagnetic fields, and the science is not looking too good for the wireless industry, which will fight tooth and nail to discredit any findings that would cut into their billions. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323998588_Wi-Fi_is_an_important_threat_to_human_health https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323998588_Wi-Fi_is_... Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305691437_Electromagnetic_Fields_Act_Similarly_in_Plants_as_in_Animals_Probable_Activation_of_Calcium_Channels_via_Their_Voltage_Sensor https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305691437_Electroma... Electromagnetic Fields Act Similarly in Plants as in Animals: Probable Activation of Calcium Channels via Their Voltage Sensor https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283017154_How_to_Approach_the_Challenge_of_Minimizing_Non-Thermal_Health_Effects_of_Microwave_Radiation_from_Electrical_Devices" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283017154_How_to_Ap... How to Approach the Challenge of Minimizing Non-Thermal Health Effects of Microwave Radiation from Electrical Devices
  - gspr 6y ago
    > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323998588_Wi-Fi_is_.. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323998588_Wi-Fi_is_.... > > Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health Pall's methodology and understanding of EM has been critized broadly and repeatedly. Here's an "official" rebuttal to the paper you cite: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328436881_Response_to_Pall_Wi-Fi_is_an_important_threat_to_human_health https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328436881_Response_... The rest of the papers you cite are by the same highly controversial biochemist. At any rate, the discussion at hand is whether "EMF sensitivity" is a real condition. It patently is not. Anyone with such a condition would easily be able to collect the large monetary rewards that have been made available, and simultaneously immediately lift the social stigma they must feel. The fact that they do not speaks volumes.
    - minerjoe 6y ago
      Yea, cherry picking, me. Note that the rebuttal does not refute Pall's biomechanical thories, or say that there are no non-thermal effects, but that we need more thorough research, and that this research is not being funded. The precautionary principal (ignored in the USA, it seems), would indicate that we should be cautious and not quick to dismiss.
  - triyambakam 6y ago
    Thanks for sharing the research! You might like the YouTube channel Scottiestech.info Do you have any other way of connecting? Your profile 'about' is very interesting - it'd be great to talk more about hacking and planting trees. You can reach me at the email in my profile.
    - minerjoe 6y ago
      Hello triyambakam. I'm still setting up my email (moving from gmail) but you can reach me at my username @ protonmail.com.

Krssst 6y ago

One point I am wondering about is if the symptoms could be caused by an actual disease (unrelated to EM) that would need treatment, but is not because the affected person is convinced that the cause is EM exposure. However, I guess people usually turn to unproven treatments once medicine failed several times to treat their symptoms, so they likely already went to a regular doctor several times beforehand, ruling out any easily discoverable disease.