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How do you know they don't mind? Have you given them the option? Cause I'm pretty sure there isn't a single place in America where people are allowed to build a
by darksaints 6y ago
How do you know they don't mind? Have you given them the option? Cause I'm pretty sure there isn't a single place in America where people are allowed to build as densely as they are willing.
In fact, the very existence of these zoning laws shows that people would be willing to live more densely than they are currently allowed to. They wouldn't exist if people didn't want it (you don't need laws to prevent density if nobody actually wants density).
And the fact that they are fleeing looks a lot more like it is due to high costs than actual quality of life. I grew up in suburban America...it was boring as shit and I'm never going back. Literally the worst quality of life you could possibly present me with.
- toomuchtodo 6y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23588250 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23588250
- darksaints 6y agoOkay, so far you've been parroting the same bullshit argument that some people don't mind. But that was never in question. There will always be some demand for suburbs. But there is obviously a shit ton of demand to live in cities, or we wouldn't have an affordability crisis. And for those people who live in cities, they do mind that zoning forces them to live more expensively. So quit with this "everybody thinks like I do" bullshit. That's just your own false consensus bias talking.
- toomuchtodo 6y agoI’m a real estate investor, I’ve done my homework because I like to make money, not because this is my personal opinion. You’re entitled to to opinion, of course. There is urban housing demand, simply not as much as suburban demand.
- darksaints 6y agoSo restrictive urban land use laws that increase people's cost of living and decreases their quality of life is something that benefits you financially. Got it. Thanks for clarifying the motivation behind your opinion.
- toomuchtodo 6y agoHousing doesn’t get built with hopes and dreams, and there’s nowhere to rent if someone doesn’t acquire and maintain the properties. Sorry to hear you take issue with someone providing essential services at a reasonable cost.
- darksaints 6y agoI have no problem with investors providing housing and making a profit off of it. If I did, I would be advocating for public housing, not zoning reform. But you aren't providing a public good for a profit in the true sense of the invisible hand. Your support for restrictive zoning laws doesnt increase the stock of housing, it restricts it. You aren't an investor, you're a rent seeker. Your returns on investment rely on increasing people's cost of living via government invention. Absent your support for zoning and other anti-competitive measures, I have no problem with your investment. But given your support for zoning, especially in the pursuit for profit, that opinion of you changes substantially. You're a leech on society, a zero-value added ball of greed, providing no benefit to anybody but yourself.
- dang 6y agoWould you please not post in the flamewar style to HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are? It only makes this place even worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html