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Thanks, I wasn't aware aa existed. What kind of speed are you getting out of it on average?

by harel 6y ago

lightgreen 6y ago
AFAIU from reading their website they sell the same Openreach ADSL as the rest of providers (except Virgin or Hyperoptic which have own fibre). So the speed is the same as any ADSL provider: 70 down, 15 up or so.
- dijksterhuis 6y ago
  > We offer both the slower ADSL services and the faster VDSL (fibre to the cabinet) services, FTTP and G.FAST services where available. The package is available with a copper pair or you can use with a phone line you buy from another Openreach-based provider such as BT. https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/home1/ https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/home1/
  - lightgreen 6y ago
    I wish I understood, are you agreeing with me, or your quote is a contradiction?
    - dijksterhuis 6y ago
      I believe they offer all of them on the open reach network. Simple ADSL, Fibre to cabinet, Fibre to premise and now G.Fast, which is on the order of 100Mbps-1Gbps speeds. Edit: to clarify, I'm saying they don't singularly operate on the copper ADSL component of the open reach network.
mhandley 6y ago
I'm on FTTC 80/20. Their control pages (which are excellent BTW) tell me the VDSL sync speed is currently 72.7Mb/s. They allow you to set an FQ/shaper upstream of the DSL infrastructure. I have the shaper set to 95% of the sync speed. This means I'm trading off 5% of the capacity, but in return I never see any queuing delays in the BT infrastructure. For example, I just ran a ping from my home to my lab across London. With an idle link, I get 10ms RTT. Then I ran a DSL speed test and saturated the downlink. It reports 65 Mbps which is pretty much what I get 24/7. But the real story is that the ping briefly only increased to 30ms just when the speed test started, then dropped back to 11ms for the duration of the speed test. That's really good isolation. Bandwidth is really not a big deal anymore - what matters is latency, but most ISPs just don't get this. Often you need to buy stupid link speeds just to avoid queuing delays. But I find that FTTC is fine for everyone in my family to run simultaneous Netflix sessions and me to videoconference at the same time with no noticable additional latency on my call. Edit: here's the graphs from the A&A control page for my line for the last week. These are really helpful figuring out what's going on if anything is strange. You can see that the mean RTT doesn't really move off the bottom axis, and the peak RTT pretty much never exceeds 50ms. http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/tmp/latency.png http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/tmp/latency.png
- dijksterhuis 6y ago
  > Their control pages (which are excellent BTW) Can confirm. They are awesome! You can see network logins/logouts for the last 12 hours. I love the email I get whenever my connection has dropped, and the next email 30 seconds later after reconnection. Absolute genius. EDIT: Check out their network status page: https://aastatus.net/ https://aastatus.net/
dijksterhuis 6y ago
I'm on FTTC and I'm getting 70Mbps down pretty much as standard. That's throughout the day as well. Never noticed any issue with peak time usage. Regularly get about 30ms ping when playing CS:GO. If I could get FTTP, I would, but I think that was dependent on openreach.

Thanks, I wasn't aware aa existed. What kind of speed are you getting out of it on average?

by harel 6y ago

Thanks, I wasn't aware aa existed. What kind of speed are you getting out of it on average?

AFAIU from reading their website they sell the same Openreach ADSL as the rest of providers (except Virgin or Hyperoptic which have own fibre). So the speed is the same as any ADSL provider: 70 down, 15 up or so.

dijksterhuis 6y ago
> We offer both the slower ADSL services and the faster VDSL (fibre to the cabinet) services, FTTP and G.FAST services where available. The package is available with a copper pair or you can use with a phone line you buy from another Openreach-based provider such as BT. https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/home1/ https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/home1/
- lightgreen 6y ago
  I wish I understood, are you agreeing with me, or your quote is a contradiction?
  - dijksterhuis 6y ago
    I believe they offer all of them on the open reach network. Simple ADSL, Fibre to cabinet, Fibre to premise and now G.Fast, which is on the order of 100Mbps-1Gbps speeds. Edit: to clarify, I'm saying they don't singularly operate on the copper ADSL component of the open reach network.

mhandley 6y ago

I'm on FTTC 80/20. Their control pages (which are excellent BTW) tell me the VDSL sync speed is currently 72.7Mb/s. They allow you to set an FQ/shaper upstream of the DSL infrastructure. I have the shaper set to 95% of the sync speed. This means I'm trading off 5% of the capacity, but in return I never see any queuing delays in the BT infrastructure. For example, I just ran a ping from my home to my lab across London. With an idle link, I get 10ms RTT. Then I ran a DSL speed test and saturated the downlink. It reports 65 Mbps which is pretty much what I get 24/7. But the real story is that the ping briefly only increased to 30ms just when the speed test started, then dropped back to 11ms for the duration of the speed test. That's really good isolation. Bandwidth is really not a big deal anymore - what matters is latency, but most ISPs just don't get this. Often you need to buy stupid link speeds just to avoid queuing delays. But I find that FTTC is fine for everyone in my family to run simultaneous Netflix sessions and me to videoconference at the same time with no noticable additional latency on my call. Edit: here's the graphs from the A&A control page for my line for the last week. These are really helpful figuring out what's going on if anything is strange. You can see that the mean RTT doesn't really move off the bottom axis, and the peak RTT pretty much never exceeds 50ms. http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/tmp/latency.png http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/tmp/latency.png

dijksterhuis 6y ago
> Their control pages (which are excellent BTW) Can confirm. They are awesome! You can see network logins/logouts for the last 12 hours. I love the email I get whenever my connection has dropped, and the next email 30 seconds later after reconnection. Absolute genius. EDIT: Check out their network status page: https://aastatus.net/ https://aastatus.net/

dijksterhuis 6y ago

I'm on FTTC and I'm getting 70Mbps down pretty much as standard. That's throughout the day as well. Never noticed any issue with peak time usage. Regularly get about 30ms ping when playing CS:GO. If I could get FTTP, I would, but I think that was dependent on openreach.