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I don't think someone from a collectivist culture will never be able to understand the motivations of someone from an individualistic culture, I believe it's a

I don't think someone from a collectivist culture will never be able to understand the motivations of someone from an individualistic culture, I believe it's a pretty deep seated blindness. I can't help you, rather, we can't help each other, you just have to be in the right region of the globe that supports your intrinsic culture. [1] > which stuntnts the growth of these countries and yes you do increase the misery of the other citizen who is left in that countries So, are you suggesting that each country imprison all their individuals and extract value for itself? Absurd. [1] https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sapolsky-culture-and-behavior-20140803-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sapolsky-culture...

fredfoobar 6y ago
I meant: "I think someone from a collectivist..." Can't edit my posts any longer.
SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
What does it have to do with individualism or collectivism? Why are you bringing an opinion of Sapolsky as if he was an important person? What I am telling that the current H1B system in US does not benefit anyone exception for the employer and probably enslaved employee. The original motivation behind the program is decent - let the really outstanding specialists to develop more (as US provides more opportunities for the top people), but what it become is essentially stripping the countries of intellectual power in bulk, and using back in US for a cheap price, basically enslaving them, by locking them via H1Bs. American workforce suffers, because they are under constant stress for being replaced by cheap H1Bs, the poor countries suffer, because of brain drain, world becomes more unequal, USA becomes more unequal. I never said nothing about "imprisonment" - most of poor countries are not prisons, and especially not for IT specialists, who can have some decent quality of live with their salaries. And the only hope for "the prisons" as you mentioned before to improve, is to keep their intellectuals in.
- fredfoobar 6y ago
  > What does it have to do with individualism or collectivism? Why are you bringing an opinion of Sapolsky as if he was an important person? This proves my point, you think like a collectivist, the individual doesn't matter much to you. Besides, the reason I posted that article is because I wanted to give you some reference to understand the construct I'm talking about (a bit of "meta" so to speak), so that you can orient your thinking and it didn't have anything to do with Sapolsky or his "importance" (seems like this matters to you more than actual facts). It seems like you're a collectivist AND not intellectually curious (they usually go hand in hand though). Your grammar and "philosophy" sounds very Asian. Most of your thinking revolves around "for the greater good (of the country)". Your determination of the "border" for benefiting from "greater good" seems arbitrary, why not the whole world? As an individualist, my advice to you is: do whatever feels right to you. If you're truly for the greater good of the country, who are you to decide what the country has to do? and why should I care about your opinion? whats the proof that what you say is actually happening?
  - SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
    I do not need any scolding from a random internet person. My grammar cannot be "Asian" because I am native speaker of an Eastern European language. You do not even know me, and yet are trying to psychoanalyze me remotely. I am neither "individualist" nor "collectivist", I am just a pragmatic - whatever creates more stable world, without concentration of power in one country or group of people (which is exactly what goes against individualism) rubs me wrong way. I, in my turn, would advice to grow beyond Ayn Rand books, and understand that neither "individualism" nor "collectivism" can be ultimate goals, they are just instruments for particular societal issue at hand. Attempt to coerce people to buy into libertarian ideology is very "collectivist" by the way, it is forcing people to be like you, to make you feel that everyone else are like you.

fredfoobar 6y ago

I meant: "I think someone from a collectivist..." Can't edit my posts any longer.

SomeoneFromCA 6y ago

What does it have to do with individualism or collectivism? Why are you bringing an opinion of Sapolsky as if he was an important person? What I am telling that the current H1B system in US does not benefit anyone exception for the employer and probably enslaved employee. The original motivation behind the program is decent - let the really outstanding specialists to develop more (as US provides more opportunities for the top people), but what it become is essentially stripping the countries of intellectual power in bulk, and using back in US for a cheap price, basically enslaving them, by locking them via H1Bs. American workforce suffers, because they are under constant stress for being replaced by cheap H1Bs, the poor countries suffer, because of brain drain, world becomes more unequal, USA becomes more unequal. I never said nothing about "imprisonment" - most of poor countries are not prisons, and especially not for IT specialists, who can have some decent quality of live with their salaries. And the only hope for "the prisons" as you mentioned before to improve, is to keep their intellectuals in.

fredfoobar 6y ago
> What does it have to do with individualism or collectivism? Why are you bringing an opinion of Sapolsky as if he was an important person? This proves my point, you think like a collectivist, the individual doesn't matter much to you. Besides, the reason I posted that article is because I wanted to give you some reference to understand the construct I'm talking about (a bit of "meta" so to speak), so that you can orient your thinking and it didn't have anything to do with Sapolsky or his "importance" (seems like this matters to you more than actual facts). It seems like you're a collectivist AND not intellectually curious (they usually go hand in hand though). Your grammar and "philosophy" sounds very Asian. Most of your thinking revolves around "for the greater good (of the country)". Your determination of the "border" for benefiting from "greater good" seems arbitrary, why not the whole world? As an individualist, my advice to you is: do whatever feels right to you. If you're truly for the greater good of the country, who are you to decide what the country has to do? and why should I care about your opinion? whats the proof that what you say is actually happening?
- SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
  I do not need any scolding from a random internet person. My grammar cannot be "Asian" because I am native speaker of an Eastern European language. You do not even know me, and yet are trying to psychoanalyze me remotely. I am neither "individualist" nor "collectivist", I am just a pragmatic - whatever creates more stable world, without concentration of power in one country or group of people (which is exactly what goes against individualism) rubs me wrong way. I, in my turn, would advice to grow beyond Ayn Rand books, and understand that neither "individualism" nor "collectivism" can be ultimate goals, they are just instruments for particular societal issue at hand. Attempt to coerce people to buy into libertarian ideology is very "collectivist" by the way, it is forcing people to be like you, to make you feel that everyone else are like you.