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>this is so general that it’s not helpful I think digging into the minutiae of specific numbers is silly, when the better frame is to construct the right diet

by PKop 6y ago

>this is so general that it’s not helpful I think digging into the minutiae of specific numbers is silly, when the better frame is to construct the right diet the comports w/ human evolution and lifestyle, energy, activity and go from there. Generally low carb (particularly avoiding high glycemic index carb, and sugars) preferring lower starch vegetables, while prioritizing animal fats, meat, fish. Keto / keto carnivore, low carb etc have been around and well studied for a while now. People should do their own research (I like all of Gary Taubes' books and presentations, there are many others as well and podcasts) but ultimately I summarize the point as our bodies have evolved to follow this diet and observations of societies or time periods when one or the other was more prevalent show stark differentials in health, obesity, diabetes, metabolic syndrome... I have no idea what my cholesterol numbers are (I'm sure they are "high"), but I certainly would never take a statin which would destroy my brain.. and as the OP mentioned, I know what makes me feel rested, energetic, what provides energy and muscle mass along with workouts in the weight room, what does or does not result in brain fog (sugar), better sleep, lower body fat, etc. All low carb / high fat. The more intense the exercise one does, the more carbs they can consume.

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rantwasp 6y ago
i don’t like this line of thinking. digging in can help you tailor your diet and lifestyle on the genetics you have. also, decades of medical research cannot just be swept away based on a gut feeling. do know everything? no. do we have some good indicators? definitely.
firethief 6y ago
Keto diets have most definitely not been around long enough for anyone's bodies to evolve to follow them. That takes many thousands of years.
- narag 6y ago
  The diet of primitive humans was more similar to keto than to current developed country diets and it was in place for hundreds of thousands of years. The first big change was from agricultural civilizations in neolithic, less than ten thousands year ago. Current diet is at most a hundred years old. And specifically the diet that is causing so many problems is only fifty years old.
  - rantwasp 6y ago
    primitive humans also lived 20-30 years tops. today at 20 you can eat whatever you want and you’ll mostly be fine short term. i’m tired of people justifying their life choices by what primitive humans were doing. we’re not primitive humans.
    - phonypc 6y ago
      Life expectancy may have been that low, but overwhelmingly due to infant mortality. It's not like primitive humans were dying of old age in their 20s.
      - rantwasp 6y ago
        not in their 20s but definitely not in their 80s like today. if you reached 50s you were a boss. a lot of things that we consider routine to fix today would have ended your life (broken leg/hand, infections, severe diarrhea, etc). We really under-appreciate how many things we have as tools to expand our lifespan today.
        Aaronstotle 6y ago
        Considering that soldiers in Ancient Greece could only retire after 30 years of service, I think it's fair to say there were plenty of 80 year old "primitive" humans.
        phonypc 6y ago
        I think we're talking prehistory, pre-agriculture here.
- eebynight 6y ago
  Why would our bodies need to evolve to follow them when the mechanisms are already built-in? Our body already contains the necessary pathways, enzymes and processes to switchover to utilizing fat as fuel. We quite literally evolved to do this... That being said, I think this adaption was more of an energy conservation mode for when food was scarce rather than our ancestors intentionally eating in a ketogenic compatible manner.
  - firethief 6y ago
    > That being said, I think this adaption was more of an energy conservation mode for when food was scarce rather than our ancestors intentionally eating in a ketogenic compatible manner. Yeah, that's the point I was trying to make. I am aware that humans have the capability of surviving on a ketogenic diet, but that doesn't support the argument I was replying to that following such a diet is what we evolved to do.

by PKop 6y ago

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rantwasp 6y ago

i don’t like this line of thinking. digging in can help you tailor your diet and lifestyle on the genetics you have. also, decades of medical research cannot just be swept away based on a gut feeling. do know everything? no. do we have some good indicators? definitely.

firethief 6y ago

Keto diets have most definitely not been around long enough for anyone's bodies to evolve to follow them. That takes many thousands of years.

narag 6y ago
The diet of primitive humans was more similar to keto than to current developed country diets and it was in place for hundreds of thousands of years. The first big change was from agricultural civilizations in neolithic, less than ten thousands year ago. Current diet is at most a hundred years old. And specifically the diet that is causing so many problems is only fifty years old.
- rantwasp 6y ago
  primitive humans also lived 20-30 years tops. today at 20 you can eat whatever you want and you’ll mostly be fine short term. i’m tired of people justifying their life choices by what primitive humans were doing. we’re not primitive humans.
  - phonypc 6y ago
    Life expectancy may have been that low, but overwhelmingly due to infant mortality. It's not like primitive humans were dying of old age in their 20s.
    - rantwasp 6y ago
      not in their 20s but definitely not in their 80s like today. if you reached 50s you were a boss. a lot of things that we consider routine to fix today would have ended your life (broken leg/hand, infections, severe diarrhea, etc). We really under-appreciate how many things we have as tools to expand our lifespan today.
      - Aaronstotle 6y ago
        Considering that soldiers in Ancient Greece could only retire after 30 years of service, I think it's fair to say there were plenty of 80 year old "primitive" humans.
        phonypc 6y ago
        I think we're talking prehistory, pre-agriculture here.
eebynight 6y ago
Why would our bodies need to evolve to follow them when the mechanisms are already built-in? Our body already contains the necessary pathways, enzymes and processes to switchover to utilizing fat as fuel. We quite literally evolved to do this... That being said, I think this adaption was more of an energy conservation mode for when food was scarce rather than our ancestors intentionally eating in a ketogenic compatible manner.
- firethief 6y ago
  > That being said, I think this adaption was more of an energy conservation mode for when food was scarce rather than our ancestors intentionally eating in a ketogenic compatible manner. Yeah, that's the point I was trying to make. I am aware that humans have the capability of surviving on a ketogenic diet, but that doesn't support the argument I was replying to that following such a diet is what we evolved to do.