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> while ti would only resemble sh when followed by a vowel sound ("mention", "martian", "patient", "spatial"). ti isn't "sh" in "mention," it's "ch," at least
by jdminhbg 6y ago
> while ti would only resemble sh when followed by a vowel sound ("mention", "martian", "patient", "spatial").
ti isn't "sh" in "mention," it's "ch," at least in any dialect I'm aware of. Cf. slang for Twitter mentions, "menchies."
- intellirogue 6y agoIn my NZ accent I definitely say "men-shin" not "men-chin", though those two sounds are very close.
- matt-attack 6y agoI’m a native speaker and I frankly don’t know which I use. I could see it going either way.
- saalweachter 6y agoThis is, incidentally, one of the tricky parts of trying to add a phonetic spelling to English. Should the phonetic spelling of "mention" be "menshin" or "menchin"? Should the spelling be the same everywhere, with people pronouncing it the other way having to learn to spell it correctly, or should it be spelled differently depending on the dialect of the speaker?
- jdminhbg 6y agoInteresting. Listening to it in a NZ accent I can hear it.
- anamexis 6y agoAs a Midwestern American speaker, it's in between. Harder than "sh" but softer than "ch".
- smichel17 6y agoEducation
- vikramkr 6y agoWhat dialects are you aware of? I don't know anyone around me that says menchun, everyone I know says menshun
- jgwil2 6y agoThe letters "n" and "t" have the same place of articulation in this context so it's not surprising that <menshun> might shift to <mentchun> in some dialects.
- tigershark 6y agoIt’s something like sh: /ˈmɛnʃ(ə)n/ in Italian it would be pronounced as a soft “z” since it’s the way “ti” was pronounced in Latin.