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1. Developers dying, aging out, retiring. 2. No real investment/push into learning legacy langauges. 3. Philippines/Indian BPO encourage and actually train on

1. Developers dying, aging out, retiring. 2. No real investment/push into learning legacy langauges. 3. Philippines/Indian BPO encourage and actually train on the job. If you look at accenture/whatever agency, even IBM, they'll guarantee a job in that country if they stick with the on the job training. In those countries, entry level, know nothing developers make $500/$1000 a month, best, vs being experienced in the USA and making a minimum of $5000. 6-12K/yr is waaayyy cheaper then, 70K/yr. I feel like it's employer idea of infinite monkey theorem. It's not entitlement, it's that in the USA, employers have to compete and everyone can easily get a job in IT that isn't even programming for $40-50k, think of help desk. All you have to do is show up, restart a few computers, and be relatable.

austincheney 6y ago
> 6-12K/yr is waaayyy cheaper then, 70K/yr. Isn’t that irrelevant? People working in the US on an H1B are not earning such low foreign wages.
hogFeast 6y ago
It isn't that easy to get a job in IT. It is easy if you have the right background. I knew a kid who could program reasonably, was pretty smart but didn't go to college. Got "hired" somewhere on help desk, was on a training contract for 3 months (he was just doing normal work, no pay), offered minimum wage job at end, didn't get paid for overtime, and got fired when he wanted to leave work at 6 because he had arranged to meet family for his birthday. I think many people significantly understate how bad the US job market is for a very significant minority of people. Also, you are massively overstating how good development is in the Phillippines or India. India churns out masses of CS grads who have never seen a computer. The economics of training are different US/India but the incentive there is the low wage. Remove that low wage incentive, and companies I think there will be investment into US citizens. (Btw, where I am there are for-profit companies that train ex-army people to do software development...it works pretty well...but no-one asks: why aren't tech companies doing this? Like these companies employ people on very exploitative contracts, why don't companies just do this themselves? There is something wrong with how tech companies are run).

austincheney 6y ago

> 6-12K/yr is waaayyy cheaper then, 70K/yr. Isn’t that irrelevant? People working in the US on an H1B are not earning such low foreign wages.

hogFeast 6y ago

It isn't that easy to get a job in IT. It is easy if you have the right background. I knew a kid who could program reasonably, was pretty smart but didn't go to college. Got "hired" somewhere on help desk, was on a training contract for 3 months (he was just doing normal work, no pay), offered minimum wage job at end, didn't get paid for overtime, and got fired when he wanted to leave work at 6 because he had arranged to meet family for his birthday. I think many people significantly understate how bad the US job market is for a very significant minority of people. Also, you are massively overstating how good development is in the Phillippines or India. India churns out masses of CS grads who have never seen a computer. The economics of training are different US/India but the incentive there is the low wage. Remove that low wage incentive, and companies I think there will be investment into US citizens. (Btw, where I am there are for-profit companies that train ex-army people to do software development...it works pretty well...but no-one asks: why aren't tech companies doing this? Like these companies employ people on very exploitative contracts, why don't companies just do this themselves? There is something wrong with how tech companies are run).