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> That money's not going to the homeless people. It's going to the people who run the services to support them. You think they'd want to see homelessness end?

> That money's not going to the homeless people. It's going to the people who run the services to support them. You think they'd want to see homelessness end? Yes, I think those people want to see homelessness end. Why else would you want a career in that field? Climate scientists also want action to be taken to fight climate change, even if it might put them out of a job. Folks who work for the UN to tackle world hunger want world hunger to end, even if it puts them out of a job. I don't think rank-and-file workers are psychopaths.

fortran77 6y ago
Do you think the Police would like to see crime go to zero?
eeZah7Ux 6y ago
HN is downvoting you for saying that some people honestly want to improve the world.
- kortilla 6y ago
  It’s hard for “honestly wanting to improve the world” to scale to organizations of thousands of people.
  - eeZah7Ux 6y ago
    > Climate scientists also want action to be taken to fight climate change, even if it might put them out of a job The parent is talking about individual's good intentions. And look at that, I'm getting downvoted as well.
    - dang 6y ago
      Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop breaking the rules when posting here? We've had to ask you multiple times before.
kortilla 6y ago
> Why else would you want a career in that field? The people who want a career in that field who actually interact with the homeless are pretty detached from the big decisions.
conanbatt 6y ago
There's an estimate of 10.000 homeless people in SF. And the budget is in 400 million. At 40k a year per homeless person..how are they homeless. Answer: they aren't getting 40k of benefits.
- catalogia 6y ago
  What's the homeless person to bureaucrat/middleman ratio? I'd be very curious to see a breakdown of what sort of organizations are involved, how many people are involved, and where all that money is actually flowing.
  - bifrost 6y ago
    Its VERY high. SF's budget is basically $40-50k per homeless person yet each person receives a fraction of that, maybe 10%, its incredibly inefficient. Its even been called "The Homeless Industrial Complex" by a variety of outspoken locals.
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  Much of that money is spent on housing and services for people who would be considered homeless if not for those very funds paying their rent.
- mikeyouse 6y ago
  A huge portion of that $400M is spent getting people off the streets - they aren't spending $400M on 10,000 homeless people. They're spending 400M on tens of thousands of housing insecure people and after all of the rent support, healthcare, and mental health expense, there are still 10,000 people that they haven't been able to get off the streets.
  - conanbatt 6y ago
    This is the SF housing project's self-defense argument. But the budget has doubled and homelessness has increased. It's also a sorry defense of the city gov to say that such a small city actually has much higher homelessness numbers that are masked by ludicrous spending.
dathinab 6y ago
> Do you think the Police would like to see crime go to zero? Yes, any proper non corrupted police would love to see that.

fortran77 6y ago

Do you think the Police would like to see crime go to zero?

eeZah7Ux 6y ago

HN is downvoting you for saying that some people honestly want to improve the world.

kortilla 6y ago
It’s hard for “honestly wanting to improve the world” to scale to organizations of thousands of people.
- eeZah7Ux 6y ago
  > Climate scientists also want action to be taken to fight climate change, even if it might put them out of a job The parent is talking about individual's good intentions. And look at that, I'm getting downvoted as well.
  - dang 6y ago
    Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop breaking the rules when posting here? We've had to ask you multiple times before.

kortilla 6y ago

> Why else would you want a career in that field? The people who want a career in that field who actually interact with the homeless are pretty detached from the big decisions.

conanbatt 6y ago

There's an estimate of 10.000 homeless people in SF. And the budget is in 400 million. At 40k a year per homeless person..how are they homeless. Answer: they aren't getting 40k of benefits.

catalogia 6y ago
What's the homeless person to bureaucrat/middleman ratio? I'd be very curious to see a breakdown of what sort of organizations are involved, how many people are involved, and where all that money is actually flowing.
- bifrost 6y ago
  Its VERY high. SF's budget is basically $40-50k per homeless person yet each person receives a fraction of that, maybe 10%, its incredibly inefficient. Its even been called "The Homeless Industrial Complex" by a variety of outspoken locals.
heavyset_go 6y ago
Much of that money is spent on housing and services for people who would be considered homeless if not for those very funds paying their rent.
mikeyouse 6y ago
A huge portion of that $400M is spent getting people off the streets - they aren't spending $400M on 10,000 homeless people. They're spending 400M on tens of thousands of housing insecure people and after all of the rent support, healthcare, and mental health expense, there are still 10,000 people that they haven't been able to get off the streets.
- conanbatt 6y ago
  This is the SF housing project's self-defense argument. But the budget has doubled and homelessness has increased. It's also a sorry defense of the city gov to say that such a small city actually has much higher homelessness numbers that are masked by ludicrous spending.

dathinab 6y ago

> Do you think the Police would like to see crime go to zero? Yes, any proper non corrupted police would love to see that.