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I think it is a very good idea ... poaching of the best and brightest talent from less developed countries who invested in the education of these people is a fo

I think it is a very good idea ... poaching of the best and brightest talent from less developed countries who invested in the education of these people is a form of robbery. If you need them , then let them work remotely and pay them fair wages as they would have received in the US and let them contribute their tax to their own country.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
I look at it the other way. FAANG has more than enough money to invest in domestic training. Either way it’s a win.
stickfigure 6y ago
Robbery? I'm guessing you also feel that the people who escaped across the Berlin Wall were "robbing" the Soviet Union of their labor? I don't suppose the actual humans involved get a say in this, do they?
fredfoobar 6y ago
My dude, the people who came here to work and make their living are individuals, they have desires of their own to trade their services for a good life. Countries don't own their citizens, they are entities organized by people interested in living there.
- SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
  Of course they do not own their citizen, that is why you can take them to the US or other developed countries. However yes you do rob these countries of skilled workforce, and yes you do create an environment, which stuntnts the growth of these countries and yes you do increase the misery of the other citizen who is left in that countries. You just have to be honest, and say that benefit for US outweighs the loss for say India or Ukraine.
  - fredfoobar 6y ago
    I don't think someone from a collectivist culture will never be able to understand the motivations of someone from an individualistic culture, I believe it's a pretty deep seated blindness. I can't help you, rather, we can't help each other, you just have to be in the right region of the globe that supports your intrinsic culture. [1] > which stuntnts the growth of these countries and yes you do increase the misery of the other citizen who is left in that countries So, are you suggesting that each country imprison all their individuals and extract value for itself? Absurd. [1] https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sapolsky-culture-and-behavior-20140803-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sapolsky-culture...
    - fredfoobar 6y ago
      I meant: "I think someone from a collectivist..." Can't edit my posts any longer.
    - SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
      What does it have to do with individualism or collectivism? Why are you bringing an opinion of Sapolsky as if he was an important person? What I am telling that the current H1B system in US does not benefit anyone exception for the employer and probably enslaved employee. The original motivation behind the program is decent - let the really outstanding specialists to develop more (as US provides more opportunities for the top people), but what it become is essentially stripping the countries of intellectual power in bulk, and using back in US for a cheap price, basically enslaving them, by locking them via H1Bs. American workforce suffers, because they are under constant stress for being replaced by cheap H1Bs, the poor countries suffer, because of brain drain, world becomes more unequal, USA becomes more unequal. I never said nothing about "imprisonment" - most of poor countries are not prisons, and especially not for IT specialists, who can have some decent quality of live with their salaries. And the only hope for "the prisons" as you mentioned before to improve, is to keep their intellectuals in.
      - fredfoobar 6y ago
        > What does it have to do with individualism or collectivism? Why are you bringing an opinion of Sapolsky as if he was an important person? This proves my point, you think like a collectivist, the individual doesn't matter much to you. Besides, the reason I posted that article is because I wanted to give you some reference to understand the construct I'm talking about (a bit of "meta" so to speak), so that you can orient your thinking and it didn't have anything to do with Sapolsky or his "importance" (seems like this matters to you more than actual facts). It seems like you're a collectivist AND not intellectually curious (they usually go hand in hand though). Your grammar and "philosophy" sounds very Asian. Most of your thinking revolves around "for the greater good (of the country)". Your determination of the "border" for benefiting from "greater good" seems arbitrary, why not the whole world? As an individualist, my advice to you is: do whatever feels right to you. If you're truly for the greater good of the country, who are you to decide what the country has to do? and why should I care about your opinion? whats the proof that what you say is actually happening?

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago

I look at it the other way. FAANG has more than enough money to invest in domestic training. Either way it’s a win.

stickfigure 6y ago

Robbery? I'm guessing you also feel that the people who escaped across the Berlin Wall were "robbing" the Soviet Union of their labor? I don't suppose the actual humans involved get a say in this, do they?

fredfoobar 6y ago

My dude, the people who came here to work and make their living are individuals, they have desires of their own to trade their services for a good life. Countries don't own their citizens, they are entities organized by people interested in living there.

SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
Of course they do not own their citizen, that is why you can take them to the US or other developed countries. However yes you do rob these countries of skilled workforce, and yes you do create an environment, which stuntnts the growth of these countries and yes you do increase the misery of the other citizen who is left in that countries. You just have to be honest, and say that benefit for US outweighs the loss for say India or Ukraine.
- fredfoobar 6y ago
  I don't think someone from a collectivist culture will never be able to understand the motivations of someone from an individualistic culture, I believe it's a pretty deep seated blindness. I can't help you, rather, we can't help each other, you just have to be in the right region of the globe that supports your intrinsic culture. [1] > which stuntnts the growth of these countries and yes you do increase the misery of the other citizen who is left in that countries So, are you suggesting that each country imprison all their individuals and extract value for itself? Absurd. [1] https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sapolsky-culture-and-behavior-20140803-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sapolsky-culture...
  - fredfoobar 6y ago
    I meant: "I think someone from a collectivist..." Can't edit my posts any longer.
  - SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
    What does it have to do with individualism or collectivism? Why are you bringing an opinion of Sapolsky as if he was an important person? What I am telling that the current H1B system in US does not benefit anyone exception for the employer and probably enslaved employee. The original motivation behind the program is decent - let the really outstanding specialists to develop more (as US provides more opportunities for the top people), but what it become is essentially stripping the countries of intellectual power in bulk, and using back in US for a cheap price, basically enslaving them, by locking them via H1Bs. American workforce suffers, because they are under constant stress for being replaced by cheap H1Bs, the poor countries suffer, because of brain drain, world becomes more unequal, USA becomes more unequal. I never said nothing about "imprisonment" - most of poor countries are not prisons, and especially not for IT specialists, who can have some decent quality of live with their salaries. And the only hope for "the prisons" as you mentioned before to improve, is to keep their intellectuals in.
    - fredfoobar 6y ago
      > What does it have to do with individualism or collectivism? Why are you bringing an opinion of Sapolsky as if he was an important person? This proves my point, you think like a collectivist, the individual doesn't matter much to you. Besides, the reason I posted that article is because I wanted to give you some reference to understand the construct I'm talking about (a bit of "meta" so to speak), so that you can orient your thinking and it didn't have anything to do with Sapolsky or his "importance" (seems like this matters to you more than actual facts). It seems like you're a collectivist AND not intellectually curious (they usually go hand in hand though). Your grammar and "philosophy" sounds very Asian. Most of your thinking revolves around "for the greater good (of the country)". Your determination of the "border" for benefiting from "greater good" seems arbitrary, why not the whole world? As an individualist, my advice to you is: do whatever feels right to you. If you're truly for the greater good of the country, who are you to decide what the country has to do? and why should I care about your opinion? whats the proof that what you say is actually happening?