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Not clear from the article what this means. Would it impact existing visa holders already in the US? What about those who got an H-1B in this year's lottery? Is

Not clear from the article what this means. Would it impact existing visa holders already in the US? What about those who got an H-1B in this year's lottery? Is their visa canceled or postponed to a later date not known yet? (normally for a given year October is the earliest people can start working on H-1B)

bradleyjg 6y ago
It hasn’t been issued yet, so no way to know for sure but the rumor is that no one will be able to enter (including re-enter) if they fall under the executive order but those in the country in status will not be immediately impacted.
- tinyhouse 6y ago
  My educated guess is that the majority of this year's H-1B are already in the US. I wonder what it would mean for them.
  - blntechie 6y ago
    H-1B new visa entry cycle starts October 1 every year. So it most likely prevents every approved visa holder for this year cycle.
  - dmurray 6y ago
    The same as if they lost the lottery, presumably, except they find out 4 months earlier.
  - jpollock 6y ago
    This year's H1-Bs don't start until October 1st, and they can't enter the US "early". https://redbus2us.com/h1b-visa-petition-filing-deadline-is-it-april-1st-october-1st-uscis-fiscal-year/#:~:text=If%20you%20applied%20for%20H1B,and%20ends%20by%20Sep%2030th https://redbus2us.com/h1b-visa-petition-filing-deadline-is-i....
    - tinyhouse 6y ago
      Not sure I'm following. I know about Oct and that people overseas who got H1-B this year won't be able to enter. But many who got H1-B this year are already in the US (working on OPT, L1, etc) so they don't need to enter the country, they are just changing their visa status.
    - rantwasp 6y ago
      i don’t know how this suspension would work but the H1B is held in April. I would assume most people have had their visa processed by now but it’s possible i’m just if ignorant. Regarding suspending H1Bs here is some not so breaking news: people on those visas are targeting jobs where no qualified people exist to fill them. Those people, by coming to the US create real value and increase the economic output of the US. They are also, in general, really smart people that fuel innovation. If you kill innovation the US is done.
      - blntechie 6y ago
        Application process starts in April but even when visa is approved and processed, the holder can’t enter before October 1.
        rantwasp 6y ago
        yeah. it starts in October but they cannot take the visa back, right?
        blntechie 6y ago
        Apparently all visa holders will be denied entry so basically they can’t enter until this order expires.
        rantwasp 6y ago
        i did not pick this up from the linke article. i guess if your business relies in H1B workers now you know which camp you need to support.
- dilyevsky 6y ago
  The rumor is even opt will be canned which is fucking crazy. Wont surprise me if PERM or even N400 are next...
dx87 6y ago
From the article: The order is not expected to immediately affect anyone already in the United States.
- armada651 6y ago
  Visa holders already in the US still need to renew their Visa. If this order also suspends renewals then people are going to get kicked out of the country.
  - ckaygusu 6y ago
    You don't get kicked out because lack of visa. For people in country in status, effect of this would be the inability to get back into US if one leaves.
    - armada651 6y ago
      You need a Visa one way or the other to stay in the US as an alien. Besides even if you weren't kicked out, how are you going to make a living without a work authorization? Overstaying your Visa is illegal. I know ICE isn't going to knock on your door right away, but it's going to negatively affect future Visa applications (visiting also requires a Visa).
      - blntechie 6y ago
        It’s just nitpicking but visa in US immigration parlance is only a tool for entry to the country. Work authorization and visa are not technically same. You can stay in the country legally even with expired visa (the one pasted in the passport) but with work authorization approval documents extending the same visa category or another category.
        zo1 6y ago
        Wow. As an outsider, a lot of the immigration/illegal-alien discussion makes a lot more sense now that I am aware of that detail. And I can't say I'm surprised that it's been such a huge, contentious and problematic issue with that kind of grey-area.
blntechie 6y ago
No official details yet but apparently 1) all issue of new visas will be delayed 2) current visa holders won’t be allowed at port of entry So it doesn’t affect current visa holders in the country unless they travel outside the country and have to enter back. Need to see what are the broad exceptions.
- tinyhouse 6y ago
  Not letting people in status travel and come back is crazy. It just shows the lack of common sense of the US government. It's the same lack of common sense of the US police and why it's such a mess (besides the systematic racism). Those people wouldn't leave the country as a result - all it means is that you prevent them from visiting their family, sometimes even in emergency situations. It has nothing to do with jobs, just pure stupidity.
  - blntechie 6y ago
    There is a chance that common sense prevails and they probably will allow some exceptions for those in status. I’m just saying from what I read from immigration news sites and forums so far. We will know soon enough or they might leave it intentionally vague too.
    - ra7 6y ago
      > they might leave it intentionally vague too. I speculate this is what’s going to happen. When there’s enough backlash, they will clear up the language or ease some restrictions. Meanwhile, people who really need to go out of the country or are re-entering have their lives and careers ruined, probably irreversibly.
  - smnrchrds 6y ago
    > Not letting people in status travel and come back is crazy. During the initial roll out of Trump's travel ban, it seems like they seriously considered, and perhaps initially intended for it to affect Green Card holders as well. Perhaps the public reaction was what changed their mind. Perhaps public feedback could change it this time too. https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban-green-card-dual-citizens/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-travel-...
nathanvanfleet 6y ago
I guess you didn't read it? It says that it shouldn't affect existing holders.
- untog 6y ago
  I guess you didn't read close enough? It says that it is "not expected to immediately affect anyone already in the United States". If that means existing visa holders currently outside of the US won't be allowed to return, or that those inside the country can't leave then that's a huge effect on their lives.

bradleyjg 6y ago

It hasn’t been issued yet, so no way to know for sure but the rumor is that no one will be able to enter (including re-enter) if they fall under the executive order but those in the country in status will not be immediately impacted.

tinyhouse 6y ago
My educated guess is that the majority of this year's H-1B are already in the US. I wonder what it would mean for them.
- blntechie 6y ago
  H-1B new visa entry cycle starts October 1 every year. So it most likely prevents every approved visa holder for this year cycle.
- dmurray 6y ago
  The same as if they lost the lottery, presumably, except they find out 4 months earlier.
- jpollock 6y ago
  This year's H1-Bs don't start until October 1st, and they can't enter the US "early". https://redbus2us.com/h1b-visa-petition-filing-deadline-is-it-april-1st-october-1st-uscis-fiscal-year/#:~:text=If%20you%20applied%20for%20H1B,and%20ends%20by%20Sep%2030th https://redbus2us.com/h1b-visa-petition-filing-deadline-is-i....
  - tinyhouse 6y ago
    Not sure I'm following. I know about Oct and that people overseas who got H1-B this year won't be able to enter. But many who got H1-B this year are already in the US (working on OPT, L1, etc) so they don't need to enter the country, they are just changing their visa status.
  - rantwasp 6y ago
    i don’t know how this suspension would work but the H1B is held in April. I would assume most people have had their visa processed by now but it’s possible i’m just if ignorant. Regarding suspending H1Bs here is some not so breaking news: people on those visas are targeting jobs where no qualified people exist to fill them. Those people, by coming to the US create real value and increase the economic output of the US. They are also, in general, really smart people that fuel innovation. If you kill innovation the US is done.
    - blntechie 6y ago
      Application process starts in April but even when visa is approved and processed, the holder can’t enter before October 1.
      - rantwasp 6y ago
        yeah. it starts in October but they cannot take the visa back, right?
        blntechie 6y ago
        Apparently all visa holders will be denied entry so basically they can’t enter until this order expires.
        rantwasp 6y ago
        i did not pick this up from the linke article. i guess if your business relies in H1B workers now you know which camp you need to support.
dilyevsky 6y ago
The rumor is even opt will be canned which is fucking crazy. Wont surprise me if PERM or even N400 are next...

dx87 6y ago

From the article: The order is not expected to immediately affect anyone already in the United States.

armada651 6y ago
Visa holders already in the US still need to renew their Visa. If this order also suspends renewals then people are going to get kicked out of the country.
- ckaygusu 6y ago
  You don't get kicked out because lack of visa. For people in country in status, effect of this would be the inability to get back into US if one leaves.
  - armada651 6y ago
    You need a Visa one way or the other to stay in the US as an alien. Besides even if you weren't kicked out, how are you going to make a living without a work authorization? Overstaying your Visa is illegal. I know ICE isn't going to knock on your door right away, but it's going to negatively affect future Visa applications (visiting also requires a Visa).
    - blntechie 6y ago
      It’s just nitpicking but visa in US immigration parlance is only a tool for entry to the country. Work authorization and visa are not technically same. You can stay in the country legally even with expired visa (the one pasted in the passport) but with work authorization approval documents extending the same visa category or another category.
      - zo1 6y ago
        Wow. As an outsider, a lot of the immigration/illegal-alien discussion makes a lot more sense now that I am aware of that detail. And I can't say I'm surprised that it's been such a huge, contentious and problematic issue with that kind of grey-area.

blntechie 6y ago

No official details yet but apparently 1) all issue of new visas will be delayed 2) current visa holders won’t be allowed at port of entry So it doesn’t affect current visa holders in the country unless they travel outside the country and have to enter back. Need to see what are the broad exceptions.

tinyhouse 6y ago
Not letting people in status travel and come back is crazy. It just shows the lack of common sense of the US government. It's the same lack of common sense of the US police and why it's such a mess (besides the systematic racism). Those people wouldn't leave the country as a result - all it means is that you prevent them from visiting their family, sometimes even in emergency situations. It has nothing to do with jobs, just pure stupidity.
- blntechie 6y ago
  There is a chance that common sense prevails and they probably will allow some exceptions for those in status. I’m just saying from what I read from immigration news sites and forums so far. We will know soon enough or they might leave it intentionally vague too.
  - ra7 6y ago
    > they might leave it intentionally vague too. I speculate this is what’s going to happen. When there’s enough backlash, they will clear up the language or ease some restrictions. Meanwhile, people who really need to go out of the country or are re-entering have their lives and careers ruined, probably irreversibly.
- smnrchrds 6y ago
  > Not letting people in status travel and come back is crazy. During the initial roll out of Trump's travel ban, it seems like they seriously considered, and perhaps initially intended for it to affect Green Card holders as well. Perhaps the public reaction was what changed their mind. Perhaps public feedback could change it this time too. https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban-green-card-dual-citizens/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-travel-...

nathanvanfleet 6y ago

I guess you didn't read it? It says that it shouldn't affect existing holders.

untog 6y ago
I guess you didn't read close enough? It says that it is "not expected to immediately affect anyone already in the United States". If that means existing visa holders currently outside of the US won't be allowed to return, or that those inside the country can't leave then that's a huge effect on their lives.