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'Product of theft': Greece urges UK to return Parthenon marbles

23 points by quijoteuniv 6y ago

onyva 6y ago
Berlin’s Pergamon has many artifacts, such as the facade of Qasr Mshatta (Jordan), for some reason. It’s infuriating to see this is still tolerated.
- pnako 6y ago
  >The facade was a gift from the Ottoman Sultan Abdul Hamid II to Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany Should we return all such gifts? Why? Should France claim back the statue of liberty?
  - quijoteuniv 6y ago
    I do not think France should claim it back, but maybe the US should give it back in the meantime ;p
    - onyva 6y ago
      The USA has obviously no need for it these days and, it’d better if it was covered, put in storage or sent back.
  - nextaccountic 6y ago
    The Sultan's gift was improperly given, no person can own the cultural heritage of a country. The statue of liberty wasn't an archeological find to begin with.
    - thefounder 6y ago
      >> The Sultan's gift was improperly given, no person can own the cultural heritage of a country. How do you define "properly" given? I believe the ruler of the said country(be it a Sultan or a democratic elected gov) has all the authority to manage the cultural heritage of its country.
      - onyva 6y ago
        It wasn’t his to give.
sschueller 6y ago
I believe there was/is some agreement in the EU regarding such items between EU members however with the brexit these things are again up for debate. The UK should also return the entire Egyptian collection they looted.
- pnako 6y ago
  Yes, the Egyptian collection, including the Rosetta stone, should be returned to France. (Under no circumstance should it be returned to modern Egypt, which doesn't care about ancient Egypt and used the Rosetta stone as construction material before it was found by an officer of Napoleon)
  - soraminazuki 6y ago
    The Rosetta stone was found in 1799, how is it fair to put the blame on "modern" Egypt? It looks like you're glorifying theft.
- FuckButtons 6y ago
  And all the stuff we stole from India and from china and... The problem is that we never really fessed up to the crimes we committed during the empire, so it’s politically toxic to start pulling at that thread. There’s a lot we would have to apologize for that it would be far easier for our politicians not to have to talk about.
nailer 6y ago
It wouldn't be entirely sad if some British artefacts ended up in Athens somehow. Athens could hold onto them for... safekeeping.
- rahimnathwani 6y ago
  There's a funny spoof video about exactly this topic: https://youtu.be/k0_dN_gQmEg https://youtu.be/k0_dN_gQmEg

23 points by quijoteuniv 6y ago

Berlin’s Pergamon has many artifacts, such as the facade of Qasr Mshatta (Jordan), for some reason. It’s infuriating to see this is still tolerated.

pnako 6y ago
>The facade was a gift from the Ottoman Sultan Abdul Hamid II to Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany Should we return all such gifts? Why? Should France claim back the statue of liberty?
- quijoteuniv 6y ago
  I do not think France should claim it back, but maybe the US should give it back in the meantime ;p
  - onyva 6y ago
    The USA has obviously no need for it these days and, it’d better if it was covered, put in storage or sent back.
- nextaccountic 6y ago
  The Sultan's gift was improperly given, no person can own the cultural heritage of a country. The statue of liberty wasn't an archeological find to begin with.
  - thefounder 6y ago
    >> The Sultan's gift was improperly given, no person can own the cultural heritage of a country. How do you define "properly" given? I believe the ruler of the said country(be it a Sultan or a democratic elected gov) has all the authority to manage the cultural heritage of its country.
    - onyva 6y ago
      It wasn’t his to give.

sschueller 6y ago

I believe there was/is some agreement in the EU regarding such items between EU members however with the brexit these things are again up for debate. The UK should also return the entire Egyptian collection they looted.

pnako 6y ago
Yes, the Egyptian collection, including the Rosetta stone, should be returned to France. (Under no circumstance should it be returned to modern Egypt, which doesn't care about ancient Egypt and used the Rosetta stone as construction material before it was found by an officer of Napoleon)
- soraminazuki 6y ago
  The Rosetta stone was found in 1799, how is it fair to put the blame on "modern" Egypt? It looks like you're glorifying theft.
FuckButtons 6y ago
And all the stuff we stole from India and from china and... The problem is that we never really fessed up to the crimes we committed during the empire, so it’s politically toxic to start pulling at that thread. There’s a lot we would have to apologize for that it would be far easier for our politicians not to have to talk about.

nailer 6y ago

It wouldn't be entirely sad if some British artefacts ended up in Athens somehow. Athens could hold onto them for... safekeeping.

rahimnathwani 6y ago
There's a funny spoof video about exactly this topic: https://youtu.be/k0_dN_gQmEg https://youtu.be/k0_dN_gQmEg