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They do get to say that. Apple has a minority of the market and wouldn't run into legally-justifiable antitrust problems.
by kick 6y ago
They do get to say that. Apple has a minority of the market and wouldn't run into legally-justifiable antitrust problems.
- rbecker 6y agoMonopoly is not necessary for antitrust enforcement - 'market power' is sufficient: https://www.justice.gov/atr/monopoly-power-and-market-power-antitrust-law https://www.justice.gov/atr/monopoly-power-and-market-power-...
- kick 6y agoFYI, your account seems to have triggered the system that hellbans new accounts. I vouched for your comment (which revived it), and I sent a message to hn@yc to point out that it looks like there was a false-positive. Your last few comments haven't been visible without showdead set or been able to be interacted with by anyone.
- rbecker 6y agoThanks. I noticed that most of my comments were invisible, but with a few seemingly random ones getting through. I assumed it was a matter of time before restrictions were lifted on my account.
- jonas_kgomo 6y agoWOW thanks for vouching for him and keeping watch on that.
- bouk 6y agoApple certainly has a monopoly in the iPhone app market.
- kick 6y agoSure, and Frigidaire has a monopoly on Frigidaire refrigerators. I said legally-justifiable antitrust claims. Apple has a minority of the smartphone market. You can make anything into a "monopoly" if you define it narrowly enough but that's not legally justifiable in any way.
- Nullabillity 6y agoBut that's not what the discussion is about. Frigidaire doesn't try to limit you to only putting stuff you bought at Walmart into their fridges.
- kick 6y agoNor does Apple: you can have as many PWAs as you want. As JS is Turing complete, you can then have every sort of app. They've always encouraged PWAs. Unless you want to legally force every company to surrender their source code (which I enthusiastically would support), there's no legal basis for Apple not being able to have their proprietary feature phone locked down. Though if you'd like, you can look at Keurig, which does limit what you can put into it to "only Keurig products" or one of the millions of other things that limit what you can put into it.
- anoncake 6y ago> Though if you'd like, you can look at Keurig, which does limit what you can put into it to "only Keurig products" or one of the millions of other things that limit what you can put into it. Whatabout...
- anoncake 6y agoWhat use case is there for Fridgidaire refrigerators that cannot be fulfilled by other brands?
- derision 6y agoThat's not a monopoly nor is that how monopolies work. iPhone is their device and creation, they can lock it down as much as they choose. They could only allow apps they develop if they wanted.
- bouk 6y agoThat's debatable. Just because the Play Store exists doesn't mean the App Store isn't its own market
- derision 6y agoThe app store is not a free market. If I set up a card trading store, I'm free to set any constraints I want. Maybe I want to only allow users to trade cards that were purchased at my shop. That's my right as a private enterprise. Maybe everyone will hate it and go to a different store, and that's the free market. If I somehow prevented any other card stores from existing, then we would have a monopoly