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How is the UN Security Council going to do anything when China is one of its charter members? They can veto anything. Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L

How is the UN Security Council going to do anything when China is one of its charter members? They can veto anything. Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_...

ed25519FUUU 6y ago
Not to mention hacking attribution is extremely difficult. Read up on the “evidence” used to attribute the DNC hack. It’s the kind of stuff that wouldn’t pass the smell test with security engineers here.
- busterarm 6y ago
  It's funny you say that, because I'm a security engineer and I talked to loads of other security engineers who didn't question it. People at the top of the field. It looked bogus as hell at the time, but you couldn't easily say so. Hackers are as susceptible to partisan politics as anyone else. At least we now have the benefit of the CrowdStrike President's declassified testimony.
  - ed25519FUUU 6y ago
    It took me forever to find out that the “back channel” with trump tower and Alfa Bank was a hacked Point-of-sale terminal in the lobby sending spam mail. Snopes still laughably lists this as “unproven” I remember at the time thinking “what are they doing, using an IRC channel?” https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-server-tied-to-russian-bank/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-server-tied-to-russi...
    - busterarm 6y ago
      I was screaming inside when the FBI started waving around that they had evidence and all they could show for it in public at the time was a handful of incoming HTTP requests from Russian IPs. I get hundreds of MB of traffic from Russian, Chinese, etc IP addresses every week scanning for drupal/wordpress/etc vulnerabilities. It hardly meant anything. Worse still is that we know that this happens and my colleagues still just go along with whatever companies like CrowdStrike or Trail of Bits or whoever say. Like we make business decisions based on their word alone. They're popular, so they must be correct. Group think is real and there's large numbers of us who aren't as capable as we claim to be. 95% of the work for most is checking the boxes on compliance questionnaires and getting shut down/stalled by the engineering & ops teams who actually make their companies money.
frequentnapper 6y ago
By recognizing Taiwan as the defacto China
- godelmachine 6y ago
  I don't quite follow. Would you please elucidate?
  - frequentnapper 6y ago
    Taiwan and Mainland China both claim to be true China. Taiwan used to be on UN security council till it was ousted and replaced by PRC: http://www.ipsnews.net/2019/04/taiwan-still-permanent-member-security-council-despite-ouster-1971/ http://www.ipsnews.net/2019/04/taiwan-still-permanent-member.... We just have to replace them again.
    - busterarm 6y ago
      I'm all for it, but it's beyond unlikely. Even a large number of people in Taiwan today do not want to be associated with the RoC. There is a growing sentiment to express a distinctly Taiwanese identity.
    - klipt 6y ago
      What mandate would the Taiwan government have to rule China? Nobody on the mainland voted for them.
      - throwaway1997 6y ago
        Nobody on the mainland voted for their current government either
      - cosmie 6y ago
        The Tawainese government used to rule mainland China back when it was known as the Republic of China, before retreating to Taiwan during a civil war. They were also the "China" entity that was the founding member of the UN. It was only a few years after the UN's founding that the Communist Party won the civil war and formed a new country (the People's Republic of China), yet it took several decades for the UN to officially recognize them as the representative of "China". The argument to make isn't that they should have a mandate to rule mainland China, nor even that they should be mainland China's representative of the UN. But rather that they should be their own representative at the UN, and have claim to the permanent seat of the Security Council that mainland China currently holds, since it was originally theirs to begin with. It's a nuclear strategy that'd cause all hell to break loose if that were ever attempted, but is a plausible enough argument that it could likely be forced through if enough parties truly wanted to strip China of their veto power.

ed25519FUUU 6y ago

Not to mention hacking attribution is extremely difficult. Read up on the “evidence” used to attribute the DNC hack. It’s the kind of stuff that wouldn’t pass the smell test with security engineers here.

busterarm 6y ago
It's funny you say that, because I'm a security engineer and I talked to loads of other security engineers who didn't question it. People at the top of the field. It looked bogus as hell at the time, but you couldn't easily say so. Hackers are as susceptible to partisan politics as anyone else. At least we now have the benefit of the CrowdStrike President's declassified testimony.
- ed25519FUUU 6y ago
  It took me forever to find out that the “back channel” with trump tower and Alfa Bank was a hacked Point-of-sale terminal in the lobby sending spam mail. Snopes still laughably lists this as “unproven” I remember at the time thinking “what are they doing, using an IRC channel?” https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-server-tied-to-russian-bank/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-server-tied-to-russi...
  - busterarm 6y ago
    I was screaming inside when the FBI started waving around that they had evidence and all they could show for it in public at the time was a handful of incoming HTTP requests from Russian IPs. I get hundreds of MB of traffic from Russian, Chinese, etc IP addresses every week scanning for drupal/wordpress/etc vulnerabilities. It hardly meant anything. Worse still is that we know that this happens and my colleagues still just go along with whatever companies like CrowdStrike or Trail of Bits or whoever say. Like we make business decisions based on their word alone. They're popular, so they must be correct. Group think is real and there's large numbers of us who aren't as capable as we claim to be. 95% of the work for most is checking the boxes on compliance questionnaires and getting shut down/stalled by the engineering & ops teams who actually make their companies money.

frequentnapper 6y ago

By recognizing Taiwan as the defacto China

godelmachine 6y ago
I don't quite follow. Would you please elucidate?
- frequentnapper 6y ago
  Taiwan and Mainland China both claim to be true China. Taiwan used to be on UN security council till it was ousted and replaced by PRC: http://www.ipsnews.net/2019/04/taiwan-still-permanent-member-security-council-despite-ouster-1971/ http://www.ipsnews.net/2019/04/taiwan-still-permanent-member.... We just have to replace them again.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    I'm all for it, but it's beyond unlikely. Even a large number of people in Taiwan today do not want to be associated with the RoC. There is a growing sentiment to express a distinctly Taiwanese identity.
  - klipt 6y ago
    What mandate would the Taiwan government have to rule China? Nobody on the mainland voted for them.
    - throwaway1997 6y ago
      Nobody on the mainland voted for their current government either
    - cosmie 6y ago
      The Tawainese government used to rule mainland China back when it was known as the Republic of China, before retreating to Taiwan during a civil war. They were also the "China" entity that was the founding member of the UN. It was only a few years after the UN's founding that the Communist Party won the civil war and formed a new country (the People's Republic of China), yet it took several decades for the UN to officially recognize them as the representative of "China". The argument to make isn't that they should have a mandate to rule mainland China, nor even that they should be mainland China's representative of the UN. But rather that they should be their own representative at the UN, and have claim to the permanent seat of the Security Council that mainland China currently holds, since it was originally theirs to begin with. It's a nuclear strategy that'd cause all hell to break loose if that were ever attempted, but is a plausible enough argument that it could likely be forced through if enough parties truly wanted to strip China of their veto power.