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If you are actually sincere, take the time to read this: http://ewanbirney.com/2019/10/race-genetics-and-pseudoscience-an-explainer.html http://ewanbirney.com/2

If you are actually sincere, take the time to read this: http://ewanbirney.com/2019/10/race-genetics-and-pseudoscience-an-explainer.html http://ewanbirney.com/2019/10/race-genetics-and-pseudoscienc...

ciarannolan 6y ago
I am "actually sincere" and I did take the time to read that. TLDR: A very long, rambling blog post that essentially says "yeah there's probably genetic differences related to IQ among groups of humans but...", then proceeds to dismiss anyone who disagrees with them as part of "a vocal fringe of race pseudoscience".
- skosuri 6y ago
  Lol; what I thought. Do you just make up things you put in quotes? That’s not what those characters are meant for. The “long, rambling blog post” outlines a number of pieces of evidence that say it’s highly unlikely there are meaningful differences, and because of population stratification, stuff like GWAS (that Hsu uses) can’t give us a lot of info. Look, if you have questions or doubts about these criticisms, you can ask and people will take those questions seriously. Ewan Birney is a world class geneticist that leads Europe’s leading institute on the subject. He’s writing a blog post for lay people to help them understand the complexities. What you wrote in response just shows how blinded you are in just discounting other arguments. Look, I don’t know who you are; you can look me up (https://www.octant.bio/biosri https://www.octant.bio/biosri).. but maybe when most experts in a field are saying one thing, and one person on the fringe is saying another... you at least owe it to yourself to understand the dominant viewpoint. It’s easy to find my email, or Ewan’s or many other researchers that take a lot of time answering questions. Quantitative genetics is complicated and in that blog post he’s trying to break down the major ways people get this stuff wrong; including Hsu. But in general, most on this site thus far have a viewpoint that is set in stone, hold their nose, and think an entire community is really stupid and politically correct. Anyways, if you are not a layperson I apologize and as a researcher, you can always just publish your findings, and the community and I can learn from them.
  - ciarannolan 6y ago
    >Do you just make up things you put in quotes? That’s not what those characters are meant for. The two "quotes" in my comment: >>[...] that essentially says "yeah there's probably genetic differences related to IQ among groups of humans but..." [...] English isn't my first language, but it's crystal clear that this isn't a direct quote but is a summary of my thoughts on their argument. >>[...] "a vocal fringe of race pseudoscience". If you read your own link you would know that this is a direct quote. But please, continue to educate me on punctuation. >What you wrote in response just shows how blinded you are in just discounting other arguments. That's rich coming from someone who started their comment with "Lol; what I thought." And someone who started their first reply to my original comment by questioning my sincerity. >But in general, most on this site thus far have a viewpoint that is set in stone, hold their nose, and think an entire community is really stupid and politically correct. Where could they possibly get that idea? (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23585765 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23585765) Finally, what was the point of trying to flex your credentials? You spent an entire comment reinforcing the idea that academics like you "have a viewpoint that is set in stone, hold their nose, and think an entire community is really stupid and politically correct."
    - skosuri 6y ago
      So again, you have no substantive questions/comments on the criticisms brought up in the blog post other than to call it long and rambling. Nothing on how common variants associated with intelligence don't segregate substantially across populations. Nothing on the poor accounting for population stratification; nothing on lack of replication on populations outside the regressions; nothing on effect sizes; nothing on IQ test score changes over time that are too short for genetic changes... anyways, the flex is because you now know who I am and what I research. If you have serious questions about the above topics... the same topics for why most people don't take Hsu seriously, feel free to email them to me. In the meantime, I am laughing because you were anything but sincere.
      - ciarannolan 6y ago
        >So again, you have no substantive questions/comments on the criticisms brought up in the blog post other than to call it long and rambling. And you have no reply to my criticisms of your sarcastic, ad hominem filled reply. >>You spent an entire comment reinforcing the idea that academics like you "have a viewpoint that is set in stone, hold their nose, and think an entire community is really stupid and politically correct." Look in the mirror once in a while.

ciarannolan 6y ago

I am "actually sincere" and I did take the time to read that. TLDR: A very long, rambling blog post that essentially says "yeah there's probably genetic differences related to IQ among groups of humans but...", then proceeds to dismiss anyone who disagrees with them as part of "a vocal fringe of race pseudoscience".

skosuri 6y ago
Lol; what I thought. Do you just make up things you put in quotes? That’s not what those characters are meant for. The “long, rambling blog post” outlines a number of pieces of evidence that say it’s highly unlikely there are meaningful differences, and because of population stratification, stuff like GWAS (that Hsu uses) can’t give us a lot of info. Look, if you have questions or doubts about these criticisms, you can ask and people will take those questions seriously. Ewan Birney is a world class geneticist that leads Europe’s leading institute on the subject. He’s writing a blog post for lay people to help them understand the complexities. What you wrote in response just shows how blinded you are in just discounting other arguments. Look, I don’t know who you are; you can look me up (https://www.octant.bio/biosri https://www.octant.bio/biosri).. but maybe when most experts in a field are saying one thing, and one person on the fringe is saying another... you at least owe it to yourself to understand the dominant viewpoint. It’s easy to find my email, or Ewan’s or many other researchers that take a lot of time answering questions. Quantitative genetics is complicated and in that blog post he’s trying to break down the major ways people get this stuff wrong; including Hsu. But in general, most on this site thus far have a viewpoint that is set in stone, hold their nose, and think an entire community is really stupid and politically correct. Anyways, if you are not a layperson I apologize and as a researcher, you can always just publish your findings, and the community and I can learn from them.
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  >Do you just make up things you put in quotes? That’s not what those characters are meant for. The two "quotes" in my comment: >>[...] that essentially says "yeah there's probably genetic differences related to IQ among groups of humans but..." [...] English isn't my first language, but it's crystal clear that this isn't a direct quote but is a summary of my thoughts on their argument. >>[...] "a vocal fringe of race pseudoscience". If you read your own link you would know that this is a direct quote. But please, continue to educate me on punctuation. >What you wrote in response just shows how blinded you are in just discounting other arguments. That's rich coming from someone who started their comment with "Lol; what I thought." And someone who started their first reply to my original comment by questioning my sincerity. >But in general, most on this site thus far have a viewpoint that is set in stone, hold their nose, and think an entire community is really stupid and politically correct. Where could they possibly get that idea? (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23585765 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23585765) Finally, what was the point of trying to flex your credentials? You spent an entire comment reinforcing the idea that academics like you "have a viewpoint that is set in stone, hold their nose, and think an entire community is really stupid and politically correct."
  - skosuri 6y ago
    So again, you have no substantive questions/comments on the criticisms brought up in the blog post other than to call it long and rambling. Nothing on how common variants associated with intelligence don't segregate substantially across populations. Nothing on the poor accounting for population stratification; nothing on lack of replication on populations outside the regressions; nothing on effect sizes; nothing on IQ test score changes over time that are too short for genetic changes... anyways, the flex is because you now know who I am and what I research. If you have serious questions about the above topics... the same topics for why most people don't take Hsu seriously, feel free to email them to me. In the meantime, I am laughing because you were anything but sincere.
    - ciarannolan 6y ago
      >So again, you have no substantive questions/comments on the criticisms brought up in the blog post other than to call it long and rambling. And you have no reply to my criticisms of your sarcastic, ad hominem filled reply. >>You spent an entire comment reinforcing the idea that academics like you "have a viewpoint that is set in stone, hold their nose, and think an entire community is really stupid and politically correct." Look in the mirror once in a while.