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So if you believe something to be a fact and supported by scientific research, and that fact is offensive to someone or a group if people, then you can be “canc

by jtdev 6y ago

So if you believe something to be a fact and supported by scientific research, and that fact is offensive to someone or a group if people, then you can be “cancelled”? American academia is in trouble.

skosuri 6y ago
He’s still a fully tenured professor at MSU; free to research whatever he wants.
- jtdev 6y ago
  So it’s okay that a Twitter mob had him removed from his previous more senior position?
  - Brian_K_White 6y ago
    Anyone in such a senior position either understands this is just part of the deal going in+, or is demonstrating their unfitness to be in such a position by failing to understand something like that. + That you are now more visible and you don't have the luxury of anonymity any more, and that this is just an inherent part of the bargain in taking on more responsibility, that now every little thing you say will be held against you by someone somewhere, and that now that you are part of the public face of your larger organization, it may at any time decide your affect on it's image is more important than any other thing about you. It's not that you can't still hold positions, it's just that you can't still hold them for free.
  - skosuri 6y ago
    Do you mean the hundreds of faculty at his university and the grad student union that called for his resignation from a position of power over them? Yeah, I think it’s reasonable. He’s still payed quite well and welcome to his crappy research ideas.
    - lostmsu 6y ago
      Did all group participants support this action?
    - jtdev 6y ago
      Yeah, all of those people. What makes an idea “crappy”? You know you can disagree with ideas that offend you, right?
      - skosuri 6y ago
        His genetics ideas are bad science. They are poorly thought out papers and overstate conclusions based on data that don’t properly account for the population and environmental effects. Hsu has been doing this for many many years. Then he goes around alt-right circles and acts like there is controversy; and starts companies offering embryo selection based on polygenic scores; again terrible science and he didn’t even state his conflict of interests on that. I disagree with all of those ideas and actions... and he still should be a professor. He just shouldn’t be a VP of research at MSU. He’s had several bad ethical lapses. The COI alone is grounds for firing... see the similar types of controversies surrounding the Harvard chemist who failed to disclose Chinese funding; that guy wasn’t even vp of research. Finally, all of this controversy makes it nearly impossible to do the work of vp of research effectively. He gets to go back now to maybe making his research and papers better (in a fully tenured job).

by jtdev 6y ago

skosuri 6y ago

He’s still a fully tenured professor at MSU; free to research whatever he wants.

jtdev 6y ago
So it’s okay that a Twitter mob had him removed from his previous more senior position?
- Brian_K_White 6y ago
  Anyone in such a senior position either understands this is just part of the deal going in+, or is demonstrating their unfitness to be in such a position by failing to understand something like that. + That you are now more visible and you don't have the luxury of anonymity any more, and that this is just an inherent part of the bargain in taking on more responsibility, that now every little thing you say will be held against you by someone somewhere, and that now that you are part of the public face of your larger organization, it may at any time decide your affect on it's image is more important than any other thing about you. It's not that you can't still hold positions, it's just that you can't still hold them for free.
- skosuri 6y ago
  Do you mean the hundreds of faculty at his university and the grad student union that called for his resignation from a position of power over them? Yeah, I think it’s reasonable. He’s still payed quite well and welcome to his crappy research ideas.
  - lostmsu 6y ago
    Did all group participants support this action?
  - jtdev 6y ago
    Yeah, all of those people. What makes an idea “crappy”? You know you can disagree with ideas that offend you, right?
    - skosuri 6y ago
      His genetics ideas are bad science. They are poorly thought out papers and overstate conclusions based on data that don’t properly account for the population and environmental effects. Hsu has been doing this for many many years. Then he goes around alt-right circles and acts like there is controversy; and starts companies offering embryo selection based on polygenic scores; again terrible science and he didn’t even state his conflict of interests on that. I disagree with all of those ideas and actions... and he still should be a professor. He just shouldn’t be a VP of research at MSU. He’s had several bad ethical lapses. The COI alone is grounds for firing... see the similar types of controversies surrounding the Harvard chemist who failed to disclose Chinese funding; that guy wasn’t even vp of research. Finally, all of this controversy makes it nearly impossible to do the work of vp of research effectively. He gets to go back now to maybe making his research and papers better (in a fully tenured job).