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Nobody in power cared about George Floyd's death until the violent protests. As Noam Chomksy once said - See, people with power understand exactly one thing: vi

Nobody in power cared about George Floyd's death until the violent protests. As Noam Chomksy once said - See, people with power understand exactly one thing: violence.

microcolonel 6y ago
> Nobody in power cared about George Floyd's deaths until the violent protest That is untrue. Well before the executions, arsons, and burglaries, there was essentially no ambiguity in the public perception of the case. Most people who watched the video believed they witnessed a murder, and that charge was already planned for Chauvin, well before the public was aware of riots. And of course, even if it did work, it would still be wrong, and the people executing people and shooting senior citizens to death to steal televisions should be prosecuted.
- unethical_ban 6y ago
  This line is bogus. "I cared about police brutality until someone else who cares did something I don't like. Now, FOX News is telling me to care about looting!" Stop using looting as an excuse to not really give a damn about police reform.
  - microcolonel 6y ago
    I feel like you are attacking me with a straw man, a very unfair one at that. Not everyone who sees things a bit differently from you is a baby-murdering psychopath who watches (gasp!) the most popular news broadcaster in America. I never thought theft, assault, arson, or lynching was okay, and I hope most people don't need to watch TV to learn that.
    - unethical_ban 6y ago
      FOX is despicable, bad faith programming and anyone forming opinions based off watching The Five, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson are worse off for having been exposed to their lies and intentionally bad logic. But you're correct on one front: I attacked your use of FOX and gave you an opening to avoid the real accusation: That you are using the (limited number of) riots and looting as a way to get out of focusing on systemic police dysfunction and the need to radically reform policing and public safety.
      - Fjolsvith 6y ago
        The police departments need to be disbanded and law enforcement needs to be returned to elected county sheriffs the way the constitution intended. Make law enforcement accountable to the people and the people accountable to the law.
- xxpor 6y ago
  Executions? Wtf are you talking about?
  - microcolonel 6y ago
    Several people have been executed, including a Federal Protective Services officer.
    - newacct583 6y ago
      Anderson was killed a a 2A boogaloo nut, not a BLM protester: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings
      - microcolonel 6y ago
        Nobody is less dead when killed by a person of a different ideology from the nominal ideology of a gathering. When you push out the police, it's no wonder that people who would like to get away with heinous crimes show up.
        newacct583 6y ago
        Who pushed out the police? That guy you're talking about who got shot? He was a cop. On duty. Guarding the courthouse. There were police right there. You're saying he got killed because there was no one to protect him while he protected us? How does that work? In fact there wasn't even a protest going on in that area. This was a drive-by shooting by some kind of provocateur maniac, designed more or less PRECISELY to enable bad faith arguments like yours.
        obiye 6y ago
        Wrong. Boogaloo followers are less than human.
downerending 6y ago
He was indeed a convicted felon that assaulted a pregnant woman (Black, if it matters) and beat his kids. So yeah, compared to everything else going on, hard to care that much.
- unethical_ban 6y ago
  Who are you talking about? Floyd? Was he being arrested at that moment for beating someone? Is beating someone a capital crime? Are the police allowed to execute prisoners? Did the police know he was a "bad guy" when they were killing him slowly? Nothing about your point makes any sense, at all. It isn't about George Floyd the man, the personality. It's about yet another human, yet another black person, being murdered by law enforcement.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Being murdered by a multi-racial group of law enforcement.
- obiye 6y ago
  Cool, all felons should be murdered. Got it.
Consultant32452 6y ago
I really wish Trump would've sent the FBI into Minneapolis to investigate before the violent protests started.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Who said the FBI wasn't watching?
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    It was a trick, because Trump DID send the FBI in on the 2nd day, before the violent protests started. So people in power did pay attention and did care before the violence started.
leetcrew 6y ago
I'm willing to entertain this possibility, but how can you be so certain that they weren't persuaded by the persistence of the nonviolent elements? baltimore's protests have been remarkably peaceful, and the city leadership has already made some (albeit minor) concessions.
- xxpor 6y ago
  Another analysis would be they're seeing the violence in other cities and want to get out ahead of it.
ordinarydev 6y ago
The looters and rioters don't care about his death either - they just want to exploit the tragedy to steal and cause harm to their own communities.

Nobody in power cared about George Floyd's death until the violent protests. As Noam Chomksy once said - See, people with power understand exactly one thing: violence.

microcolonel 6y ago

> Nobody in power cared about George Floyd's deaths until the violent protest That is untrue. Well before the executions, arsons, and burglaries, there was essentially no ambiguity in the public perception of the case. Most people who watched the video believed they witnessed a murder, and that charge was already planned for Chauvin, well before the public was aware of riots. And of course, even if it did work, it would still be wrong, and the people executing people and shooting senior citizens to death to steal televisions should be prosecuted.

unethical_ban 6y ago
This line is bogus. "I cared about police brutality until someone else who cares did something I don't like. Now, FOX News is telling me to care about looting!" Stop using looting as an excuse to not really give a damn about police reform.
- microcolonel 6y ago
  I feel like you are attacking me with a straw man, a very unfair one at that. Not everyone who sees things a bit differently from you is a baby-murdering psychopath who watches (gasp!) the most popular news broadcaster in America. I never thought theft, assault, arson, or lynching was okay, and I hope most people don't need to watch TV to learn that.
  - unethical_ban 6y ago
    FOX is despicable, bad faith programming and anyone forming opinions based off watching The Five, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson are worse off for having been exposed to their lies and intentionally bad logic. But you're correct on one front: I attacked your use of FOX and gave you an opening to avoid the real accusation: That you are using the (limited number of) riots and looting as a way to get out of focusing on systemic police dysfunction and the need to radically reform policing and public safety.
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      The police departments need to be disbanded and law enforcement needs to be returned to elected county sheriffs the way the constitution intended. Make law enforcement accountable to the people and the people accountable to the law.
xxpor 6y ago
Executions? Wtf are you talking about?
- microcolonel 6y ago
  Several people have been executed, including a Federal Protective Services officer.
  - newacct583 6y ago
    Anderson was killed a a 2A boogaloo nut, not a BLM protester: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings
    - microcolonel 6y ago
      Nobody is less dead when killed by a person of a different ideology from the nominal ideology of a gathering. When you push out the police, it's no wonder that people who would like to get away with heinous crimes show up.
      - newacct583 6y ago
        Who pushed out the police? That guy you're talking about who got shot? He was a cop. On duty. Guarding the courthouse. There were police right there. You're saying he got killed because there was no one to protect him while he protected us? How does that work? In fact there wasn't even a protest going on in that area. This was a drive-by shooting by some kind of provocateur maniac, designed more or less PRECISELY to enable bad faith arguments like yours.
      - obiye 6y ago
        Wrong. Boogaloo followers are less than human.

downerending 6y ago

He was indeed a convicted felon that assaulted a pregnant woman (Black, if it matters) and beat his kids. So yeah, compared to everything else going on, hard to care that much.

unethical_ban 6y ago
Who are you talking about? Floyd? Was he being arrested at that moment for beating someone? Is beating someone a capital crime? Are the police allowed to execute prisoners? Did the police know he was a "bad guy" when they were killing him slowly? Nothing about your point makes any sense, at all. It isn't about George Floyd the man, the personality. It's about yet another human, yet another black person, being murdered by law enforcement.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Being murdered by a multi-racial group of law enforcement.
obiye 6y ago
Cool, all felons should be murdered. Got it.

Consultant32452 6y ago

I really wish Trump would've sent the FBI into Minneapolis to investigate before the violent protests started.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
Who said the FBI wasn't watching?
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  It was a trick, because Trump DID send the FBI in on the 2nd day, before the violent protests started. So people in power did pay attention and did care before the violence started.

leetcrew 6y ago

I'm willing to entertain this possibility, but how can you be so certain that they weren't persuaded by the persistence of the nonviolent elements? baltimore's protests have been remarkably peaceful, and the city leadership has already made some (albeit minor) concessions.

xxpor 6y ago
Another analysis would be they're seeing the violence in other cities and want to get out ahead of it.

ordinarydev 6y ago

The looters and rioters don't care about his death either - they just want to exploit the tragedy to steal and cause harm to their own communities.