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I can agree with you that PHP Fog's customers were affected and are thus victims. I don't understand how PHP Fog isn't a victim here though.
by nbpoole 16y ago
I can agree with you that PHP Fog's customers were affected and are thus victims. I don't understand how PHP Fog isn't a victim here though.
- parfe 16y agoI promised myself I'd avoid another analogy but... If I give the bank my money and the next day I get an email saying "Sorry, we didn't feel like locking up last night and some kids looted the vault." I'd have a hard time calling the bank the victim. And something concrete: PHPFog knew the holes existed and were negligent. I would say they even have some contributory negligence (IANAL). Especially after admitting they knew they were vulnerable.
- tptacek 16y agoYou know what we call kids who loot bank vaults? Bank robbers.
- parfe 16y agoNo, we call them juvenile delinquents and treat them like children. And we certainly don't call the bank the victim.
- nbpoole 16y ago1. We don't treat them like adult criminals (necessarily), but we certainly treat them like criminals. Here are some examples (some harsher than others): Bank robber, 13, could get 21 years in US jail (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.cb17379375828ffc0e967dfc1258dbd6.191&show_article=1 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.cb17379375828ffc...) Teen bank robber to be held for two years (http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2011/02/18/news/doc4d5ead635c892274913549.txt http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2011/02/18/news/doc4d...) Boy, 15, Charged in Armed Bank Robbery in Lancaster (http://articles.latimes.com/2002/aug/09/local/me-bankrob9 http://articles.latimes.com/2002/aug/09/local/me-bankrob9) 2. Why do you think banks aren't considered victims in cases of robbery? Because they could have done more to prevent the robbery from happening?
- parfe 16y agoYou're conflating armed robbery, a violent crime, with hacking a web site? That's the end of this thread.
- jasonlotito 16y agoDude, you started the metaphor with tour comment. Can't exactly blame someone for calling you out on it.
- jammur 16y agoBanks are absolutely considered victims, but if the victim didn't do their due diligence with respect to keeping their vault secure, then they absolutely share in the blame.
- jammur 16y agoYou know what we call banks who leave their vaults unsecured? Neither do I, but it's certainly not 'blameless'.