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Microsoft has recently modernized WinDbg[1]. Sadly, it's available only via the Microsoft Store[2]. [1] - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/dri

Microsoft has recently modernized WinDbg[1]. Sadly, it's available only via the Microsoft Store[2]. [1] - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/debugging-using-windbg-preview https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/de... [2] - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windbg-preview/9pgjgd53tn86 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windbg-preview/9pgjgd53tn8...

userbinator 6y ago
My reaction upon seeing that can be summed up in two words: WTF!?, yuck! Even the latest version of Visual Studio, their flagship IDE, doesn't have that stupid ribbon UI, because they know their developers absolutely abhor it. To see it in WinDbg, whose userbase is even more traditional and "hardcore", is extremely shocking. With that ridiculous full-screen File menu (or page?), it looks like a part of Microsoft Office!
- oldmanhorton 6y ago
  The vast majority of the interaction with the new windbg is using the same commands in the same tiling inner windows as before. The ribbon is usually hidden if you know the key commands to move around. It's only to help new and infrequent users find their way around.
  - userbinator 6y ago
    It's only to help new and infrequent users find their way around. Visual Studio is what most Windows developers use, including beginners, and it doesn't need --- or want --- a ribbon. It also doesn't have a full-screen File "menu", which is a repulsive visual assault and one of the other abominations that came from recent versions of Office. The UI isn't even the worse of it. Old WinDbg was a pretty portable thing that you could just copy onto a machine wherever you wanted to debug something. New WinDbg is... https://lifeinhex.com/running-windbgx-on-windows-7/ https://lifeinhex.com/running-windbgx-on-windows-7/ ...no. Just... no. (Yes, keep on downvoting me if you want, I don't care. I've had enough of this idiotic 'modern' shit creeping into everything.)
binarycrusader 6y ago
It is actually possible to download it if you have the URL without going through the store; see this thread: https://twitter.com/M_Cedervall/status/1228338401876807682 https://twitter.com/M_Cedervall/status/1228338401876807682 I suspect a more formal solution will be available soon, but for now, there's this feedback post at GitHub where you can add your vote for supporting it: https://github.com/microsoftfeedback/WinDbg-Feedback/issues/19 https://github.com/microsoftfeedback/WinDbg-Feedback/issues/...

userbinator 6y ago

My reaction upon seeing that can be summed up in two words: WTF!?, yuck! Even the latest version of Visual Studio, their flagship IDE, doesn't have that stupid ribbon UI, because they know their developers absolutely abhor it. To see it in WinDbg, whose userbase is even more traditional and "hardcore", is extremely shocking. With that ridiculous full-screen File menu (or page?), it looks like a part of Microsoft Office!

oldmanhorton 6y ago
The vast majority of the interaction with the new windbg is using the same commands in the same tiling inner windows as before. The ribbon is usually hidden if you know the key commands to move around. It's only to help new and infrequent users find their way around.
- userbinator 6y ago
  It's only to help new and infrequent users find their way around. Visual Studio is what most Windows developers use, including beginners, and it doesn't need --- or want --- a ribbon. It also doesn't have a full-screen File "menu", which is a repulsive visual assault and one of the other abominations that came from recent versions of Office. The UI isn't even the worse of it. Old WinDbg was a pretty portable thing that you could just copy onto a machine wherever you wanted to debug something. New WinDbg is... https://lifeinhex.com/running-windbgx-on-windows-7/ https://lifeinhex.com/running-windbgx-on-windows-7/ ...no. Just... no. (Yes, keep on downvoting me if you want, I don't care. I've had enough of this idiotic 'modern' shit creeping into everything.)

binarycrusader 6y ago

It is actually possible to download it if you have the URL without going through the store; see this thread: https://twitter.com/M_Cedervall/status/1228338401876807682 https://twitter.com/M_Cedervall/status/1228338401876807682 I suspect a more formal solution will be available soon, but for now, there's this feedback post at GitHub where you can add your vote for supporting it: https://github.com/microsoftfeedback/WinDbg-Feedback/issues/19 https://github.com/microsoftfeedback/WinDbg-Feedback/issues/...