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>An AR-15 with a 16in barrel is 30in with the stock collapsed and cannot be much shorter without the stock because of the buffer tube. Telescoping stocks maybe

by 6AA4FD 6y ago

>An AR-15 with a 16in barrel is 30in with the stock collapsed and cannot be much shorter without the stock because of the buffer tube. Telescoping stocks maybe not (my inexperience showing there) but folding stocks definitely can take it under 30 inches then. I assume you're saying a normal caliber ar15 won't be very fireable without a buffer tube. Anyways, apparently folding and telescoping stocks are also illegal in California, which might be the real reason amazon has these rules.

agensaequivocum 6y ago
While there are technically stocks you can get for an AR-15 that fold, because you have to also fold the buffer tube they are not recommend and potentially unreliable. It is completely inoperable without the buffer tube. They are not illegal to own in California. They are only illegal to be on a semi-automatic center fire rifle with a detachable magazine. So if you mag lock your AR with something like this[1] you can put a telescoping stock on it. This is also legal[2] (with a 10rd magazine) since it is not a center fire rifle. Again a stock is not integral to the operation of most rifles so you can just not put one on. Oh course then it's legally not considered a rifle most of the time. [1] https://armaglock.com/product/armaglock/ https://armaglock.com/product/armaglock/ [2] https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-15-22-sport https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-15-22-sport
- agensaequivocum 6y ago
  Moreover, having a rifle shorter than 26in is also a federal crime. You might as well go all the way and saw the barrel in half too if you really want a SBR.
- 6AA4FD 6y ago
  I'm familiar with mag locking and all of the "featureless" difficulties, I was just being brief. However I understand center fire refers to the cartridge/primer configuration and I'm not really sure why that matters, could I trouble you to explain? WRT the buffer tube, I understand that you need the buffer to move the bcg, correct?
  - agensaequivocum 6y ago
    Sure. It matters, I'm guessing because the design prohibits larger calibers due to the physics of how it works. >Rimfire ammo is limited to smaller calibers since the cartridge walls need to be thin enough to be able to be crushed by the firing pin and ignite the primer. > The downside? > Well, the nature of the casing means it’s pretty much limited to small calibers. You have to have some relatively flimsy brass to handle the rimfire set up. As a result, the powder necessary to propel a larger bullet would blow the brass apart.[1] Correct about the buffer tube. So even if you installed a folding stock on an AR-15, it require some proprietary buffer tube to work like this one.[2] [1] https://www.pewpewtactical.com/rimfire-vs-centerfire-ammunition/ https://www.pewpewtactical.com/rimfire-vs-centerfire-ammunit... [2] https://youtu.be/_qr2GTq3v3w https://youtu.be/_qr2GTq3v3w
    - 6AA4FD 6y ago
      Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for your time and knowledge.
      - agensaequivocum 6y ago
        You're welcome.

by 6AA4FD 6y ago

agensaequivocum 6y ago

While there are technically stocks you can get for an AR-15 that fold, because you have to also fold the buffer tube they are not recommend and potentially unreliable. It is completely inoperable without the buffer tube. They are not illegal to own in California. They are only illegal to be on a semi-automatic center fire rifle with a detachable magazine. So if you mag lock your AR with something like this[1] you can put a telescoping stock on it. This is also legal[2] (with a 10rd magazine) since it is not a center fire rifle. Again a stock is not integral to the operation of most rifles so you can just not put one on. Oh course then it's legally not considered a rifle most of the time. [1] https://armaglock.com/product/armaglock/ https://armaglock.com/product/armaglock/ [2] https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-15-22-sport https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-15-22-sport

agensaequivocum 6y ago
Moreover, having a rifle shorter than 26in is also a federal crime. You might as well go all the way and saw the barrel in half too if you really want a SBR.
6AA4FD 6y ago
I'm familiar with mag locking and all of the "featureless" difficulties, I was just being brief. However I understand center fire refers to the cartridge/primer configuration and I'm not really sure why that matters, could I trouble you to explain? WRT the buffer tube, I understand that you need the buffer to move the bcg, correct?
- agensaequivocum 6y ago
  Sure. It matters, I'm guessing because the design prohibits larger calibers due to the physics of how it works. >Rimfire ammo is limited to smaller calibers since the cartridge walls need to be thin enough to be able to be crushed by the firing pin and ignite the primer. > The downside? > Well, the nature of the casing means it’s pretty much limited to small calibers. You have to have some relatively flimsy brass to handle the rimfire set up. As a result, the powder necessary to propel a larger bullet would blow the brass apart.[1] Correct about the buffer tube. So even if you installed a folding stock on an AR-15, it require some proprietary buffer tube to work like this one.[2] [1] https://www.pewpewtactical.com/rimfire-vs-centerfire-ammunition/ https://www.pewpewtactical.com/rimfire-vs-centerfire-ammunit... [2] https://youtu.be/_qr2GTq3v3w https://youtu.be/_qr2GTq3v3w
  - 6AA4FD 6y ago
    Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for your time and knowledge.
    - agensaequivocum 6y ago
      You're welcome.