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So universities are conspicuous consumption, internships are conspicuous consumption, entrepreneurship is conspicuous consumption. Perhaps the simple fact is t
by scottishcow 6y ago
So universities are conspicuous consumption, internships are conspicuous consumption, entrepreneurship is conspicuous consumption.
Perhaps the simple fact is that most people are motivated by the need for social validation, and only a tiny tiny fraction of the population is driven instead by things like intellectual curiosity, desire to help others / solve societal problems, etc. So any class of activity that becomes open to a sufficient number of entrants will eventually turn into a form of conspicuous consumption.
Now scientific research is conspicuous consumption (MIT Media Lab?), book authorship is conspicuous consumption, and political candidacy is conspicuous consumption. Are there any activities left that doesn’t function as a form of conspicuous consumption?
- z3t4 6y agoMedics, fictions, anything that is not considered cool
- pdonis 6y ago> universities are conspicuous consumption, internships are conspicuous consumption, entrepreneurship is conspicuous consumption > scientific research is conspicuous consumption (MIT Media Lab?), book authorship is conspicuous consumption, and political candidacy is conspicuous consumption Is the paper making all these claims? I don't see them.
- exolymph 6y agoSometimes people write comments relaying their own opinions.
- scottishcow 6y agoNever said it does, was it confusing? Maybe my English needs more work.
- pdonis 6y ago> Never said it does Then I don't understand who this question is supposed to be directed at: > Are there any activities left that doesn’t function as a form of conspicuous consumption? My answer would be that none of the activities you list (with the possible exception of the kind of wannabe entrepreneurship the paper is talking about) are conspicuous consumption. But it seemed like you were directing the question at the authors of the paper, not me.
- dnautics 6y agoI think it was a rhetorical question directed at me. I got a chuckle out of it, it made me go 'hum...', and brightened my day about one micromort's worth.
- scottishcow 6y ago> Then I don't understand who this question is supposed to be directed at: To the HN community of course. > My answer would be that none of the activities you list (with the possible exception of the kind of wannabe entrepreneurship the paper is talking about) are conspicuous consumption. That’s a valid response, although I don’t agree. Note that I’m not regarding these activities to be entirely about conspicuous consumption, just like the paper doesn’t claim all of entrepreneurship is veblenian. Fwiw the paper does cite another work that claims some internships can be viewed as a form of conspicuous consumption.
- pdonis 6y ago> Note that I’m not regarding these activities to be entirely about conspicuous consumption If your definition of an activity being conspicuous consumption is that somebody, somewhere, can use it for conspicuous consumption, I think you're right that it's going to be hard to find an activity that isn't "conspicuous consumption" by this definition. But I would say that's a problem with your definition.
- scottishcow 6y agoWell surely it's a matter of degree (and also chronological trends) we're talking about here. My writing may not be perfectly clear but other commenters seem to understand my point, nuanced discussions may be difficult but not impossible if we're engaging in good faith.
- Benjammer 6y ago>Are there any activities left that doesn’t function as a form of conspicuous consumption? I would guess anything that doesn't involve exchanging money for an object or experience, in which the quality and/or duration of the object/experience increases with increased cost. Some ideas off the top of my head: - Volunteering your time locally in your community (soup kitchen, tutoring underprivileged kids, coaching youth sports, etc.) - Building interpersonal relationships with new people - Putting work in to maintain existing interpersonal relationships - Meditation, mindfulness - Building a tangible skill that takes intense study/practice over a time scale of multiple years to be considered an expert (craftsmanship, visual arts, martial arts, athletics, etc.)
- analyst74 6y agoTime and money are both resources you have, why is spending time valued higher than spending money? I believe this widely held view comes from people who have more money than time, so they value time more.
- pjc50 6y agoSurely anything is conspicuous consumption if you do it conspicuously and consumptively enough? (That's a joke, but it also isn't - in a media panopticon society everything is conspicuous, and in an industrial/consumerist society everything is consumption .. that leaves only activities which are productive or collective but done privately. That leaves .. a few of the religions? Someone should break out the Baudrillard at this point, we are not the first to address this question) Edit: I forgot the major media event of the time, duh; protesting, while very conspicuous, is intrinsically anticonsumerist, and getting injured and teargassed as part of it is sacrificial rather than consumerist.
- sbierwagen 6y agoNo. All human endeavour is social signalling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_theory
- someguyorother 6y agoI'm naturally suspicious of this kind of reductionism, because it so easily shades into unfalsifiability. "Everything you do is either because of X, or you believe it's for some other reason but your subconscious does it because of X anyway."