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BTFS with mutable torrents would make a nice piracy suite

by eqtn 6y ago

ksec 6y ago
And with the increase of Subscription fatigue, torrent may possibly make a come back.
rakoo 6y ago
Mutable "torrents" with fuse access exists, it's called hyperdrive (https://github.com/hypercore-protocol/hyperdrive https://github.com/hypercore-protocol/hyperdrive). See the daemon in particular (https://github.com/hypercore-protocol/hyperdrive-daemon https://github.com/hypercore-protocol/hyperdrive-daemon)
- namibj 6y ago
  No. Hyperdrive is not like the official BEP-conform "mutable DHT item"-based updatable torrents. They essentially say "download the most recent version signed by this pubkey", which ia notably distinct from hyperdrive's append-only log.
  - rakoo 6y ago
    "download the most recent version signed by this pubkey" is literally how hyperdrive works. The append-only log is hypercore, one of the building blocks of hyperdrive. Hyperdrive is a layer above and gives you a view of how the archive is at any point in time, with preferential access to the latest version. TBF what I understood from the request of "mutable torrents" wasn't the literal feature, but a way to have decentralized nodes exchanging updatable content. Bittorent with the Mutable Torrents BEP does work, but it's nowhere near as developed as what hyperdrive is today. And as sad as it may sound I don't think it will ever be.
    - namibj 6y ago
      Yeah. My point was, that BEP 46[0] doesn't have any archive/log functionality. [0]: https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0046.html https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0046.html
yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
Isn't that just IPFS? And forget piracy; it's great for ready access to any data that you want mirrored to a lot of servers at once - imagine if you mounted /var/cache/yum over BTFS:) (...maybe with an overlay filesystem in the middle; I forget the internals of yum's cache...)
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  There are numerous tools available to support using torrents for OS and package updates across fleets of servers.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
    I mean, there's satellite and such, but do any use p2p to distribute files?
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17303055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17303055 https://github.com/alibaba/Dragonfly https://github.com/alibaba/Dragonfly >At Alibaba, the system transfers 2 billion times and distributes 3.4PB of data every month, it has become one of the most important piece of infrastructure at Alibaba. The reliability is up to 99.9999%. https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Apt-torrent https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Apt-torrent
johnhenry 6y ago
https://docs.datproject.org/ https://docs.datproject.org/

BTFS with mutable torrents would make a nice piracy suite

by eqtn 6y ago

BTFS with mutable torrents would make a nice piracy suite

ksec 6y ago

And with the increase of Subscription fatigue, torrent may possibly make a come back.

rakoo 6y ago

Mutable "torrents" with fuse access exists, it's called hyperdrive (https://github.com/hypercore-protocol/hyperdrive https://github.com/hypercore-protocol/hyperdrive). See the daemon in particular (https://github.com/hypercore-protocol/hyperdrive-daemon https://github.com/hypercore-protocol/hyperdrive-daemon)

namibj 6y ago
No. Hyperdrive is not like the official BEP-conform "mutable DHT item"-based updatable torrents. They essentially say "download the most recent version signed by this pubkey", which ia notably distinct from hyperdrive's append-only log.
- rakoo 6y ago
  "download the most recent version signed by this pubkey" is literally how hyperdrive works. The append-only log is hypercore, one of the building blocks of hyperdrive. Hyperdrive is a layer above and gives you a view of how the archive is at any point in time, with preferential access to the latest version. TBF what I understood from the request of "mutable torrents" wasn't the literal feature, but a way to have decentralized nodes exchanging updatable content. Bittorent with the Mutable Torrents BEP does work, but it's nowhere near as developed as what hyperdrive is today. And as sad as it may sound I don't think it will ever be.
  - namibj 6y ago
    Yeah. My point was, that BEP 46[0] doesn't have any archive/log functionality. [0]: https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0046.html https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0046.html

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago

Isn't that just IPFS? And forget piracy; it's great for ready access to any data that you want mirrored to a lot of servers at once - imagine if you mounted /var/cache/yum over BTFS:) (...maybe with an overlay filesystem in the middle; I forget the internals of yum's cache...)

toomuchtodo 6y ago
There are numerous tools available to support using torrents for OS and package updates across fleets of servers.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  I mean, there's satellite and such, but do any use p2p to distribute files?
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17303055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17303055 https://github.com/alibaba/Dragonfly https://github.com/alibaba/Dragonfly >At Alibaba, the system transfers 2 billion times and distributes 3.4PB of data every month, it has become one of the most important piece of infrastructure at Alibaba. The reliability is up to 99.9999%. https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Apt-torrent https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Apt-torrent

johnhenry 6y ago

https://docs.datproject.org/ https://docs.datproject.org/