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For those who don't read the article, here's a quote: "Unless you're only selling to white people, if I was at a firm I would want every point of view represent

For those who don't read the article, here's a quote: "Unless you're only selling to white people, if I was at a firm I would want every point of view represented in the investment process" Is this how people view the world these days? Where skin color is important? I feel like I'm totally lost and saddened by this new race-focused world. Can someone please tell me when I can go back to caring about the quality of air traffic controller's[1], the quality of a manager's returns[2], and a restaurant's food[3] and NOT their skin color? I'm exhausted by it. [1]https://www.fullwsj.com/articles/affirmative-action-lands-in-the-air-traffic-control-tower-1433283292 https://www.fullwsj.com/articles/affirmative-action-lands-in... [2]The article from this discussion [3]https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2020/06/09/uber-eats-delivery-fees-cancelled-for-black-owned-restaurants/#516926009f15 https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2020/06/09/uber-eats-d...

WesternStar 6y ago
How fortunate you are to merely be "exhausted" emotionally. This isn't really a conversation about skin color its a conversation on how we treat each other and we happen to treat people with certain skin colors in ways that make their lives worse and in some cases more dangerous. Talking about it like its about skin is foolish. It's about behavior.
- tuna-piano 6y ago
  Who is this "we" that you speak of? What institution anywhere in the US treats people of certain skin colors worse than others? I know of many (including those referenced in the linked article), but yet all of them discriminate against whites and asians, not blacks and hispanics. Why do you believe that racism is so widespread? If there is evidence of widespread racism among people and institutions, please share (the only evidence I've seen is some name-on-resume-callback studies that appear more to do with class than with race). I'm guessing you believe that there is widespread racism because of disparate outcomes. But disparate outcomes between groups doesn't mean discrimination. For example, Iraqi-Americans avg income $32k, Iranian $78k income. How many Americans even know the difference between those two peoples even if they wanted to discriminate?[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...
  - WesternStar 6y ago
    I'm not going to pretend that you are arguing in good faith. Have a nice day.
    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      You don’t have to pretend. It is quite obvious that parent is being sincere, whether you happen to agree or not.
      - WesternStar 6y ago
        Neither you nor he are operating in good faith. This is HN everyone knows how to use google. He is asking me to prove institutional racism exists. As though if he were to google "Institutional Racism America" nothing would come up. Ben and Jerry's has a page on it for crying out loud. His claim that institutional racism in America is hard to find beggars belief. Neither of you is acting in good faith. I refuse to waste my time.
        lawnchair_larry 6y ago
        Have fun in your stubborn ideological bubble. I hope one day you are more open to other perspectives.
      - tuna-piano 6y ago
        I think there's a certain part of the population (generally on the left from what I've seen) that is so deep in an ideological bubble that they cannot believe that reasonable and legitimate alternate perspectives exist. When countered with fair and legitimate points, they unfortunately wish to exit conversations. This is just a fun little an online message board and I do not wish to criticize the poster who accused me of being in bad faith (whatever that means). However, I don't believe I said anything improper, even if it was jarring to their world view.
ikeyany 6y ago
Consider that black people in America do not have the luxury of forgetting about race.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Consider that this is a lie being peddled both to black people and to white people.
  - ikeyany 6y ago
    Do you have a lot of life experience speaking with black Americans about this subject?

WesternStar 6y ago

How fortunate you are to merely be "exhausted" emotionally. This isn't really a conversation about skin color its a conversation on how we treat each other and we happen to treat people with certain skin colors in ways that make their lives worse and in some cases more dangerous. Talking about it like its about skin is foolish. It's about behavior.

tuna-piano 6y ago
Who is this "we" that you speak of? What institution anywhere in the US treats people of certain skin colors worse than others? I know of many (including those referenced in the linked article), but yet all of them discriminate against whites and asians, not blacks and hispanics. Why do you believe that racism is so widespread? If there is evidence of widespread racism among people and institutions, please share (the only evidence I've seen is some name-on-resume-callback studies that appear more to do with class than with race). I'm guessing you believe that there is widespread racism because of disparate outcomes. But disparate outcomes between groups doesn't mean discrimination. For example, Iraqi-Americans avg income $32k, Iranian $78k income. How many Americans even know the difference between those two peoples even if they wanted to discriminate?[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...
- WesternStar 6y ago
  I'm not going to pretend that you are arguing in good faith. Have a nice day.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    You don’t have to pretend. It is quite obvious that parent is being sincere, whether you happen to agree or not.
    - WesternStar 6y ago
      Neither you nor he are operating in good faith. This is HN everyone knows how to use google. He is asking me to prove institutional racism exists. As though if he were to google "Institutional Racism America" nothing would come up. Ben and Jerry's has a page on it for crying out loud. His claim that institutional racism in America is hard to find beggars belief. Neither of you is acting in good faith. I refuse to waste my time.
      - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
        Have fun in your stubborn ideological bubble. I hope one day you are more open to other perspectives.
    - tuna-piano 6y ago
      I think there's a certain part of the population (generally on the left from what I've seen) that is so deep in an ideological bubble that they cannot believe that reasonable and legitimate alternate perspectives exist. When countered with fair and legitimate points, they unfortunately wish to exit conversations. This is just a fun little an online message board and I do not wish to criticize the poster who accused me of being in bad faith (whatever that means). However, I don't believe I said anything improper, even if it was jarring to their world view.

ikeyany 6y ago

Consider that black people in America do not have the luxury of forgetting about race.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Consider that this is a lie being peddled both to black people and to white people.
- ikeyany 6y ago
  Do you have a lot of life experience speaking with black Americans about this subject?