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> This echoes the "if you don't like it so much then just leave instead of speaking up" dismissal It's even worse than that. Even if you leave Apple ecosystem,
by smnrchrds 6y ago
> This echoes the "if you don't like it so much then just leave instead of speaking up" dismissal
It's even worse than that. Even if you leave Apple ecosystem, you are still subject to it. Consumers don't like paying different prices based on the platform they are using. They will feel cheated. For this reason, app and service developers almost always price their products the same across all platforms. If a service developer estimates that 50% of the service's customers end up signing up through Apple Pay and pay the Apple tax, which one of these scenarios do you think will happen:
1) The developer will just eat the loss and will not take Apple's cut into their calculations of what the pricing should be at all;
2) They charge users who sign up through Apple 30% more;
3) They charge everyone the same. In order to negate the effect of Apple tax, their prices end up being higher than they otherwise would have been. Everyone, Apple user or not, ends up paying 15% higher.
I would wager that number 3 is what happens in almost all instances. You cannot not pay the Apple tax, even if you never use Apple.
On a side note, I am so surprised that so many people see this as a fight between Apple and developers. They view the Apple tax as something developers pay and thus is developers' problem, not theirs. Like any tax, ultimately, we the consumers end up paying it. It may be indirect, but it is coming out of our pocket. And it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that I would have to pay more than $1000 to buy a device, and then get nickel-and-dimes by Apple to actually use the said device.
- Invictus0 6y agoThen don't buy the device. Bad taste in your mouth is not going to accomplish anything.
- smnrchrds 6y agoI don't have an Apple device. I put my money where my mouth is. But I am sure that some of the services I am buying are more expensive because of the Apple tax and I am paying Apple tax anyway. Bad taste in my mouth is not going to accomplish anything. Simply not buying an Apple device does not accomplish anything either. Speaking out, raising awareness, asking for regulations, etc. is the only way to accomplish anything.
- ghostwriter 6y ago> But I am sure that some of the services I am buying are more expensive because of the Apple tax and I am paying Apple tax anyway. Imagine how much more you could save if companies wouldn't have to include corporate tax burden into prices of their products. And what if you were exempt from income tax too? Just a food for thought.
- smnrchrds 6y agoI do benefit from corporate an income taxes, in the form of services from the government. I also have a say in them, via elections. What equivalent benefits and voice do I have regarding Apple tax?
- ntsplnkv2 6y agoIf you open it up, what you end up with is, no one pays for your app, because there is 20 other free ones that are good enough. Developers all want into the walled garden because it is a great walled garden, consumers are very happy, they trust it more, they spend more. But when you let everything in, it becomes a dumpster fire of crapware, and people overall spend less. https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-users-spend-twice-apps-vs-android-charts-2018-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-users-spend-twice-apps... I'd argue Apple's walled garden is better for good quality developers. There are cases that suck - but that is an exception to the rule.
- LordDragonfang 6y agoI always saw sources like yours to be a bit of "confirming the obvious". Of course the average iphone user spends more, the average iphone user has a more expensive phone, and therefore more disposable income. Android has cheap handsets, Apple does not.
- ntsplnkv2 6y agoDon't be so certain - if you add up the top competitors to the iPhone (just as expensive Samsungs, Huawei, etc), they're about the same amount as iPhones. Do these people not have disposable income? The gap is quite obvious - because of the multitude of free alternatives on android, users are far more likely to not spend. The competition is way higher. Developers want to destroy the walled garden but the fact is their product will be instantly devalued.
- scarface74 6y agoEven if you leave Apple ecosystem, you are still subject to it. Consumers don't like paying different prices based on the platform they are using. Manufacturers sell things at different prices all of the time. Spotify even sold subscriptions at different prices when they did allow in app subscriptions. On a side note, I am so surprised that so many people see this as a fight between Apple and developers. They view the Apple tax as something developers pay and thus is developers' problem, not theirs. Like any tax, ultimately, we the consumers end up paying it Yes consumers pay retailers mark up and not wholesale. News at 11