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Agreed. There's a false dichotomy here. You can use a product, and as a stakeholder demand change. Refraining from using the product entirely is one way to achi
by lordleft 6y ago
Agreed. There's a false dichotomy here. You can use a product, and as a stakeholder demand change. Refraining from using the product entirely is one way to achieve that, but it's not the only way. Many products evolve because of user-feedback.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago> Many products evolve because of user-feedback. And regulation. See GDPR and CCPA.
- pathseeker 6y agoYes, but those two examples don't have a particularly great track record. Regulation tends to be a very blunt hammer that might only partially address the problem while introducing a bunch of others (e.g. cookie banners).
- toomuchtodo 6y agoSupport better regulation. More effective than complaining.
- diffctx99 6y agoYou’re not a stakeholder for buying a computer. You seem to have a very confused view of the consumer role legally and historically. Giving them money for a product does not give you a real voice. Argue for that first. Otherwise you may as well argue you’re a stakeholder to a tree.
- andyfleming 6y agoA customer is an external stakeholder. They do have a voice, but at a large scale / low % of revenue, it may be not be very loud. If no one enjoyed the shade of a tree, it wouldn’t cease to exist. If customers stopped paying a business, they likely would.
- lrpublic 6y ago>A customer is an external stakeholder. Customers used to have more choice, this made them highly valued stakeholders. Before the era of permanent rolling mandatory updates and new releases customers (And IT managers) had to be convinced a new version had more value than the software it was replacing. Windows Vista, DOS 4 And numerous other software failed to get traction because the value of new features was too low vs the pain points. Now days the focus is on shareholder value not customer needs. Locking in customers and maximising revenue is far more important than marking software better for the end user or IT teams.
- CydeWeys 6y agoWe are stakeholders in our role as citizens of democratic governments.
- diffctx99 6y agoIf holding a giant private corporation accountable is the battle you want to take before the government, aside from all the other problems society faces, go for it. I’d never be caught dead complaining about how I “got screwed over” by entering an arrangement I knew about up front. I would complain about government deciding the way the world worked decades before I was born as if that’s how it must work forever. You emit whatever syntax your limbic system pushes your cortex to supply motor agency to, what’s useful inside your little bubble. I’ll argue in mine. Aside from time/place of our body, it’s all we can do anyway.
- simion314 6y agoEU might solve this for you, I remember how it was years back, with mobile phone providers, there was no monopoly just a few companies that split the market and hold the users captive. So EU does not care that Apple and Google are not monopolies or that a large potion of citizens are busy watching football, if there are enough people complaining they will investigate and if you see what happen in the past force interoperability and true choice.
- pinkfoot 6y agoSure… So, how many different word processors and spreadsheet providers does the EU bureaucracy itself use?
- simion314 6y agoI don't know, do you know and what is this relevant? They get complaints and they look at them, apply the laws for the benefit of the citizens and not for companies, like when the mobile phone companies were regulated lot of people complained that this big companies will lose too much money but still I see Vodafone and the rest thriving and us the consumer can move to other companies without any pain.
- rmrfstar 6y agoTelling people to handle their beef "in the market" is basically saying we aren't a self-governing people any more. The hubris and contempt for democracy emanating from tech bros is astounding. It's not going to be fashionable forever.