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It sounds so convoluted. Like providing service for customers is not enough. Applications is the reason people use Windows. Paying customers may be product too

It sounds so convoluted. Like providing service for customers is not enough. Applications is the reason people use Windows. Paying customers may be product too.

rtsil 6y ago
> Paying customers may be product too. That was implied ever since Microsoft decided to make Windows 10 free or at a very low cost to a majority of users. And, why not, as long as their fee is not outrageous for application developers and they don't restrict the users' ability to install software from other sources.
- sergeykish 6y ago
  It is not free https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/windows https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/windows So paying yet product. And varying price is something I would expect from airlines, not from respectable business.
  - gmanley 6y ago
    When it was released they offered a free upgrade. You are still able to use the same method to upgrade for free: https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-download-windows-10-for-free-now-that-windows-7-is-dead/ https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-download-windows-10-for-f...
    - sergeykish 6y ago
      Free upgrade from paid product to paid product. Still paying yet product. I question wisdom of the original term. What if "shut up and take money" is not enough? If so was it on purpose or by accident? First time in my life I think of conspiracy theories. My take on catchy phrases: - You are a product for for-profit - You are a product if don't fight for your freedoms
  - rtsil 6y ago
    > It is not free https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/windows https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/windows Most people either upgraded for free to a new version (the same operation was paid before), or get Windows through a subsidized OEM version. Subsidized is pretty clear: you pay less, in exchange for something else. > varying price is something I would expect from airlines, not from respectable business. Why should we expect a software company to be more ethical, for varying definitions of ethical, than an airline company?

It sounds so convoluted. Like providing service for customers is not enough. Applications is the reason people use Windows. Paying customers may be product too.

rtsil 6y ago

> Paying customers may be product too. That was implied ever since Microsoft decided to make Windows 10 free or at a very low cost to a majority of users. And, why not, as long as their fee is not outrageous for application developers and they don't restrict the users' ability to install software from other sources.

sergeykish 6y ago
It is not free https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/windows https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/windows So paying yet product. And varying price is something I would expect from airlines, not from respectable business.
- gmanley 6y ago
  When it was released they offered a free upgrade. You are still able to use the same method to upgrade for free: https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-download-windows-10-for-free-now-that-windows-7-is-dead/ https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-download-windows-10-for-f...
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    Free upgrade from paid product to paid product. Still paying yet product. I question wisdom of the original term. What if "shut up and take money" is not enough? If so was it on purpose or by accident? First time in my life I think of conspiracy theories. My take on catchy phrases: - You are a product for for-profit - You are a product if don't fight for your freedoms
- rtsil 6y ago
  > It is not free https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/windows https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/windows Most people either upgraded for free to a new version (the same operation was paid before), or get Windows through a subsidized OEM version. Subsidized is pretty clear: you pay less, in exchange for something else. > varying price is something I would expect from airlines, not from respectable business. Why should we expect a software company to be more ethical, for varying definitions of ethical, than an airline company?