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You are relying on the presumption that they won't become autonomous machines for wiping out "criminals". A drone can be used for more than a singular purpose.

You are relying on the presumption that they won't become autonomous machines for wiping out "criminals". A drone can be used for more than a singular purpose. There might be more efficient ways to kill someone we already know like you said but what if we don't know them yet? What if they don't exist yet? Imagine you have a crowd and there is one violent person inside it, how would you immobilize such a person without harming the others?

_bxg1 6y ago
They could already wipe out people they want to designate as "criminals" by busting into people's houses and shooting them in their sleep. The reason they don't (very often) is that, as we've seen in recent weeks, that's how you get riots. The current unrest resulted from only a handful of unjustified killings. Imagine what would happen if they started sending drones to kill people en masse?
- searchableguy 6y ago
  That's a very US centric view. It doesn't apply to many other countries. The point is still that it will be cheaper to manufacture large number of autonomous justice drones than to hire policemen to do the dirty work. Why pay for their pension years after they have retired? Why pay for their healthcare, training, damage, etc?
  - _bxg1 6y ago
    You really think lack of money for hiring thugs with guns to shoot helpless citizens is the limiting factor for any ill-willed nation-state? Even the most insidious state relies on its citizenry to some extent. You're not ruling anything if your people are constantly in revolt, or if they're all dead.
    - searchableguy 6y ago
      > You really think lack of money for hiring thugs with guns to shoot helpless citizens is the limiting factor for insidious nation-state? Yes, there is a money problem for employing enough cops. Reference - India. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_depend...
      - _bxg1 6y ago
        And you really don't think those inhabitants would riot and swiftly overwhelm whatever enforcement existed if their friends and neighbors started getting picked off by assassination drones? If anything it sounds like India's enforcement should be more scared of the populace than they are in the U.S. because of how outnumbered they are.
        searchableguy 6y ago
        Playing the devil's advocate since you think cops are thugs with guns who can't work without making a mess, why don't you believe in replacing them with autonomous drones? In an ideal future, autonomous drones would make less mistakes since they don't feel threatened or care about dying. They won't kill someone just because it looked threatening. They won't turn off the body cam because of reasons. They will have a more accurate aim and will be more trained since training doesn't cost anything for them. You can invest the other funds in improving rehabilitation or de-escalation services.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Nah, it's the same in most countries. If you kill enough innocents you create more people to kill and eventually you get riots.
ryanwaggoner 6y ago
Imagine you have a crowd and there is one violent person inside it, how would you mobilize such a person without harming the others? Hmm...a gun?
- searchableguy 6y ago
  without harming the others. Humans aren't good in stressful situations and their aim isn't great. A ground view isn't necessarily helpful in situation where the criminal might be inside the group ring.
  - _bxg1 6y ago
    A rooftop sniper, then.
    - searchableguy 6y ago
      You can only do that for specific situations. What if the criminal runs inside the building or grabs a person to shield himself from the sniper? Are you going to surround the person with snipers from every direction? Also sounds like the cost for those snipers would be pretty high than manufacturing few drones to lock in a target and swarm under their head. Cost of drones is only going to decrease while the cost of sustaining human life remains more or less the same if not increase.
    - meaydinli 6y ago
      A well-trained sniper that you can trust to cover a crowd needs a lot of training and time and money. A drone is $30k
  - dafoex 6y ago
    A bomb drone would have to be absolutely tiny to satisfy not hurting others. I don't want slaughterbots to be science fact as much as anyone else, but these drones currently aren't small enough.
- meaydinli 6y ago
  What if LEO don't have LoS? What if that violent person is in the middle of a massive crowd? Article says this drone can fly at 90 mph, which means it can get to the threat muuuuch faster. For a gun, you also need personnel on the ground, which puts them at risk and they can cover only so much area. A drone at a good enough altitude with a streaming camera can send it back home for constant, automagical scanning and threat-profiling.

_bxg1 6y ago

They could already wipe out people they want to designate as "criminals" by busting into people's houses and shooting them in their sleep. The reason they don't (very often) is that, as we've seen in recent weeks, that's how you get riots. The current unrest resulted from only a handful of unjustified killings. Imagine what would happen if they started sending drones to kill people en masse?

searchableguy 6y ago
That's a very US centric view. It doesn't apply to many other countries. The point is still that it will be cheaper to manufacture large number of autonomous justice drones than to hire policemen to do the dirty work. Why pay for their pension years after they have retired? Why pay for their healthcare, training, damage, etc?
- _bxg1 6y ago
  You really think lack of money for hiring thugs with guns to shoot helpless citizens is the limiting factor for any ill-willed nation-state? Even the most insidious state relies on its citizenry to some extent. You're not ruling anything if your people are constantly in revolt, or if they're all dead.
  - searchableguy 6y ago
    > You really think lack of money for hiring thugs with guns to shoot helpless citizens is the limiting factor for insidious nation-state? Yes, there is a money problem for employing enough cops. Reference - India. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_depend...
    - _bxg1 6y ago
      And you really don't think those inhabitants would riot and swiftly overwhelm whatever enforcement existed if their friends and neighbors started getting picked off by assassination drones? If anything it sounds like India's enforcement should be more scared of the populace than they are in the U.S. because of how outnumbered they are.
      - searchableguy 6y ago
        Playing the devil's advocate since you think cops are thugs with guns who can't work without making a mess, why don't you believe in replacing them with autonomous drones? In an ideal future, autonomous drones would make less mistakes since they don't feel threatened or care about dying. They won't kill someone just because it looked threatening. They won't turn off the body cam because of reasons. They will have a more accurate aim and will be more trained since training doesn't cost anything for them. You can invest the other funds in improving rehabilitation or de-escalation services.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Nah, it's the same in most countries. If you kill enough innocents you create more people to kill and eventually you get riots.

ryanwaggoner 6y ago

Imagine you have a crowd and there is one violent person inside it, how would you mobilize such a person without harming the others? Hmm...a gun?

searchableguy 6y ago
without harming the others. Humans aren't good in stressful situations and their aim isn't great. A ground view isn't necessarily helpful in situation where the criminal might be inside the group ring.
- _bxg1 6y ago
  A rooftop sniper, then.
  - searchableguy 6y ago
    You can only do that for specific situations. What if the criminal runs inside the building or grabs a person to shield himself from the sniper? Are you going to surround the person with snipers from every direction? Also sounds like the cost for those snipers would be pretty high than manufacturing few drones to lock in a target and swarm under their head. Cost of drones is only going to decrease while the cost of sustaining human life remains more or less the same if not increase.
  - meaydinli 6y ago
    A well-trained sniper that you can trust to cover a crowd needs a lot of training and time and money. A drone is $30k
- dafoex 6y ago
  A bomb drone would have to be absolutely tiny to satisfy not hurting others. I don't want slaughterbots to be science fact as much as anyone else, but these drones currently aren't small enough.
meaydinli 6y ago
What if LEO don't have LoS? What if that violent person is in the middle of a massive crowd? Article says this drone can fly at 90 mph, which means it can get to the threat muuuuch faster. For a gun, you also need personnel on the ground, which puts them at risk and they can cover only so much area. A drone at a good enough altitude with a streaming camera can send it back home for constant, automagical scanning and threat-profiling.