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Hopefully by then people in general would be smart enough not to buy closed down crap that makes monopolies possible. Replies like yours and another sibling (

Hopefully by then people in general would be smart enough not to buy closed down crap that makes monopolies possible. Replies like yours and another sibling ( hoorayimhelping) do put that hope into my heart.

lotsofpulp 6y ago
That locked down crap made it possible for the non English literate and non computer literate to have a consistent experience video calling their loved ones (FaceTime) and use WhatsApp and browse the internet on iOS Safari without worrying about clicking on malware links, and that was as of at least 7+ years ago. Although, I am questioning the utility of WhatsApp as they seem to be particularly fond of forwarding absolute garbage on WhatsApp.
- gear54rus 6y ago
  Think this wouldn't be possible without the locked down part? It is far from a necessary evil IMO.
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    If it is, no one has done it yet. If someone manages to, I’d love to jump to a non locked down system.
    - gear54rus 6y ago
      And it's entirely our fault, as I said in my first comment. Had we collectively refused to buy locked down crap, they (or their competition) would bend over backwards to open it all up.
      - lotsofpulp 6y ago
        I did refuse at first, and tried Android and Windows and whatnot. And I wasted too much of my time trying to figure it out. At the end of the day, I need to spend more of my time living life and less troubleshooting. Unfortunately, I don't know if a non lock down system is possible. The incentives for bad actors and the attack surface is so huge, I wonder what can be done.
    - sergeykish 6y ago
      Nokia Maemo, Openmoko, webOS, Firefox OS - outshined by locked down crap. Pulling resources out (no place for third contender). It is hard to beat advertisement machine by powerful organization with unlimited resources which utilize small window opportunity gain monopoly. There is nothing magical about Steve Jobs and iPhone, it was obvious so much that design was tried again and again through decade. Today - PinePhone, Librem.
      - lotsofpulp 6y ago
        Investing tons of money into developing a physical retail preference where people can go to if they have issues might not be magical, but it certainly is a difference maker. I don’t want to troubleshoot my older relatives tech issues, I just point them to the apple store. Time is worth a lot. As far as I can tell, only Apple wanted to invest in this route. Nokia, Google, Microsoft all have tons of cash, but no one wants to invest it into low ROI high liability physical retail options. Nokia was perfectly okay letting the mobile carriers and their uneducated minimum wage staff deal with customer service. Apple decided to invest in customer service. Also, all of this migration to smartphones happened in 2010 to 2014. If other companies had invested as much as Apple into the user experience (including what you do when you have a problem), maybe they would be in their position.
        sergeykish 6y ago
        Making physical stores around the globe - impressive and absolutely can make a difference. But also only possible for megacorporation. Corporations do no not care about people. People form communities to help themself, open small shops. LineageOS, postmarketOS - that is magical. Debian can't open brick and mortar stores. Android while perfectly able resolve your first request (video calls and web browser) become more and more closed over the years. Because user freedoms is not valuable differentiator for most of the customers. Google and manufacturers are corporations too. They seek profit. Users value experience, true. And Apple understands that support is part of the experience, they invest to build their brand. That's good, but they do it to exploit customers as much as possible, 30% cut is part of it. It does not matter who is on top of the mountain. It is underdog who is trying to differentiate. Maybe if nonprofit, but it could not produce newest and shiniest, without support it does not work. Support either from government (like do not sell poisonous products) or customers (conscious choice). History shown again and again that government does not care and for customers it take a long time to figure out [1]. [1] Arsenic wallpaper never officially banned in Britain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fru5Q-6p9lk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fru5Q-6p9lk

lotsofpulp 6y ago

That locked down crap made it possible for the non English literate and non computer literate to have a consistent experience video calling their loved ones (FaceTime) and use WhatsApp and browse the internet on iOS Safari without worrying about clicking on malware links, and that was as of at least 7+ years ago. Although, I am questioning the utility of WhatsApp as they seem to be particularly fond of forwarding absolute garbage on WhatsApp.

gear54rus 6y ago
Think this wouldn't be possible without the locked down part? It is far from a necessary evil IMO.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  If it is, no one has done it yet. If someone manages to, I’d love to jump to a non locked down system.
  - gear54rus 6y ago
    And it's entirely our fault, as I said in my first comment. Had we collectively refused to buy locked down crap, they (or their competition) would bend over backwards to open it all up.
    - lotsofpulp 6y ago
      I did refuse at first, and tried Android and Windows and whatnot. And I wasted too much of my time trying to figure it out. At the end of the day, I need to spend more of my time living life and less troubleshooting. Unfortunately, I don't know if a non lock down system is possible. The incentives for bad actors and the attack surface is so huge, I wonder what can be done.
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    Nokia Maemo, Openmoko, webOS, Firefox OS - outshined by locked down crap. Pulling resources out (no place for third contender). It is hard to beat advertisement machine by powerful organization with unlimited resources which utilize small window opportunity gain monopoly. There is nothing magical about Steve Jobs and iPhone, it was obvious so much that design was tried again and again through decade. Today - PinePhone, Librem.
    - lotsofpulp 6y ago
      Investing tons of money into developing a physical retail preference where people can go to if they have issues might not be magical, but it certainly is a difference maker. I don’t want to troubleshoot my older relatives tech issues, I just point them to the apple store. Time is worth a lot. As far as I can tell, only Apple wanted to invest in this route. Nokia, Google, Microsoft all have tons of cash, but no one wants to invest it into low ROI high liability physical retail options. Nokia was perfectly okay letting the mobile carriers and their uneducated minimum wage staff deal with customer service. Apple decided to invest in customer service. Also, all of this migration to smartphones happened in 2010 to 2014. If other companies had invested as much as Apple into the user experience (including what you do when you have a problem), maybe they would be in their position.
      - sergeykish 6y ago
        Making physical stores around the globe - impressive and absolutely can make a difference. But also only possible for megacorporation. Corporations do no not care about people. People form communities to help themself, open small shops. LineageOS, postmarketOS - that is magical. Debian can't open brick and mortar stores. Android while perfectly able resolve your first request (video calls and web browser) become more and more closed over the years. Because user freedoms is not valuable differentiator for most of the customers. Google and manufacturers are corporations too. They seek profit. Users value experience, true. And Apple understands that support is part of the experience, they invest to build their brand. That's good, but they do it to exploit customers as much as possible, 30% cut is part of it. It does not matter who is on top of the mountain. It is underdog who is trying to differentiate. Maybe if nonprofit, but it could not produce newest and shiniest, without support it does not work. Support either from government (like do not sell poisonous products) or customers (conscious choice). History shown again and again that government does not care and for customers it take a long time to figure out [1]. [1] Arsenic wallpaper never officially banned in Britain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fru5Q-6p9lk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fru5Q-6p9lk