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And here's Elliot's "official statement": http://elliotspeck.com/phpfog.html http://elliotspeck.com/phpfog.html And for anyone who missed it, here's what Ellio

by nbpoole 16y ago

And here's Elliot's "official statement": http://elliotspeck.com/phpfog.html http://elliotspeck.com/phpfog.html And for anyone who missed it, here's what Elliot posted in the previous HN discussion about the phpFog breach: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2346161 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2346161

va_coder 16y ago
As soon he says "I don't believe I did a bad thing" I thought this boy needs to be prosecuted.
- nbpoole 16y ago
  Personally, I'm a fan of some of his post-hoc justification: "Following this, I took a hold of their Twitter account and posted a couple of bits to draw attention to the fact. This did two things. One, it showed people the system was insecure, but on the other hand people always subconsciously root for the underdog; I drew attention to the company and the product. I know a number of people have actually registered (or intend to register, registration is closed) for phpFog since the incident thanks to the attention drawn to it by myself."
  - nakkiel 16y ago
    The last bit is priceless. The mere fact that the kid doesn't show any sort of adequate moral judgement should justify prosecution.
    - merijnv 16y ago
      Isn't the lack of adequate judgement (moral or other) the definition of being a kid?
      - nakkiel 16y ago
        At least he could be more of a kid and pretend. Which means I actually agree with you.
jedsmith 16y ago
Hi, I'm <full name>! My site says what city I'm from. I've written publicly to admit that I committed multiple crimes, definitely without consulting legal counsel first! I even put them in a nice bulleted list that can be copied and pasted right into a complaint. They're pressing charges, but that's bullshit. I'm 16! Not too bright, are we? Instant message the company you just hacked and bust out from behind your handle, then provide evidence for the prosecution in the form of a Web page? What is with kids these days? It only takes one episode of Law & Order to figure out how to proceed here. Clue: Attorney.
- trotsky 16y ago
  Somebody really needs to get in touch with that kid's parents and let them know that they need to find the mute button on their kid and retain counsel. After reading that I think it's a pretty strong argument against those claiming adult status for him. He clearly doesn't understand the situation he's in or the second order impacts of what he's done.
tptacek 16y ago
Before I realized he'd posted those comments 2 days ago, I seriously considered trying to track down his parents. Do you think they even know? Their kid is arguing with people on message boards about a breach. And not arguing "I didn't do it". Crazy.
- rmccue 16y ago
  Search hard enough, and his phone number/address is available if you're really like to. However, I won't post them here. That would be irresponsible disclosure. ;)
mtran 16y ago
Elliot's statement and a lot of his Facepunch comments have been taken down. As an educator, I found a lot of the comments there pretty alarming... and want to ask everyone here to consider a few things when posting about anything related to kids. Kids (and like it or not, that IS what they are) are notoriously dramatic and these kids are definitely experiencing this as a crisis, no matter how they present in their comments. They are also now being border-line, and in some cases overtly cyber bullied by some of their peers online which may be devastating if they don't have great face-to-face support. As adults, we have a responsibility not to add fuel to that fire and remember that if teenagers were predictable and transparent, there wouldn't be so many tragic cases in the news where they hurt themselves and each other. Part of the problem is that teenagers and young adults aren't great at predicting consequences. This isn't opinion - it's science. Especially in males, the part of the brain that is responsible for predicting consequences is not fully developed until the early to middle twenties. This is a double whammy because it leads to their bad decision making, but also to their belief that when something bad happens as a result, that it's literally the end of the world... that there is no way out. There is no disputing that what these boys did was a big deal and that there have to be consequences. But it's also just a symptom of a bigger problem: as a society, we have failed to keep pace with the challenges that are the result of the first generation of digital natives (kids) being raised and educated by a generation of adults who are (at best) digital immigrants. This post is getting way too long so I'm going to finish it on my blog @ thenewtag.com But thanks, criticsquid and nbpoole for posting some of the aftermath. I hope that one of the 1st things phpfog (or the authorities) did was involve these boys' parents?

by nbpoole 16y ago

va_coder 16y ago

As soon he says "I don't believe I did a bad thing" I thought this boy needs to be prosecuted.

nbpoole 16y ago
Personally, I'm a fan of some of his post-hoc justification: "Following this, I took a hold of their Twitter account and posted a couple of bits to draw attention to the fact. This did two things. One, it showed people the system was insecure, but on the other hand people always subconsciously root for the underdog; I drew attention to the company and the product. I know a number of people have actually registered (or intend to register, registration is closed) for phpFog since the incident thanks to the attention drawn to it by myself."
- nakkiel 16y ago
  The last bit is priceless. The mere fact that the kid doesn't show any sort of adequate moral judgement should justify prosecution.
  - merijnv 16y ago
    Isn't the lack of adequate judgement (moral or other) the definition of being a kid?
    - nakkiel 16y ago
      At least he could be more of a kid and pretend. Which means I actually agree with you.

jedsmith 16y ago

Hi, I'm <full name>! My site says what city I'm from. I've written publicly to admit that I committed multiple crimes, definitely without consulting legal counsel first! I even put them in a nice bulleted list that can be copied and pasted right into a complaint. They're pressing charges, but that's bullshit. I'm 16! Not too bright, are we? Instant message the company you just hacked and bust out from behind your handle, then provide evidence for the prosecution in the form of a Web page? What is with kids these days? It only takes one episode of Law & Order to figure out how to proceed here. Clue: Attorney.

trotsky 16y ago
Somebody really needs to get in touch with that kid's parents and let them know that they need to find the mute button on their kid and retain counsel. After reading that I think it's a pretty strong argument against those claiming adult status for him. He clearly doesn't understand the situation he's in or the second order impacts of what he's done.

tptacek 16y ago

Before I realized he'd posted those comments 2 days ago, I seriously considered trying to track down his parents. Do you think they even know? Their kid is arguing with people on message boards about a breach. And not arguing "I didn't do it". Crazy.

rmccue 16y ago
Search hard enough, and his phone number/address is available if you're really like to. However, I won't post them here. That would be irresponsible disclosure. ;)

mtran 16y ago

Elliot's statement and a lot of his Facepunch comments have been taken down. As an educator, I found a lot of the comments there pretty alarming... and want to ask everyone here to consider a few things when posting about anything related to kids. Kids (and like it or not, that IS what they are) are notoriously dramatic and these kids are definitely experiencing this as a crisis, no matter how they present in their comments. They are also now being border-line, and in some cases overtly cyber bullied by some of their peers online which may be devastating if they don't have great face-to-face support. As adults, we have a responsibility not to add fuel to that fire and remember that if teenagers were predictable and transparent, there wouldn't be so many tragic cases in the news where they hurt themselves and each other. Part of the problem is that teenagers and young adults aren't great at predicting consequences. This isn't opinion - it's science. Especially in males, the part of the brain that is responsible for predicting consequences is not fully developed until the early to middle twenties. This is a double whammy because it leads to their bad decision making, but also to their belief that when something bad happens as a result, that it's literally the end of the world... that there is no way out. There is no disputing that what these boys did was a big deal and that there have to be consequences. But it's also just a symptom of a bigger problem: as a society, we have failed to keep pace with the challenges that are the result of the first generation of digital natives (kids) being raised and educated by a generation of adults who are (at best) digital immigrants. This post is getting way too long so I'm going to finish it on my blog @ thenewtag.com But thanks, criticsquid and nbpoole for posting some of the aftermath. I hope that one of the 1st things phpfog (or the authorities) did was involve these boys' parents?