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Maybe the pandemic finally offers enough motivation for EU and US to make a strong decision about this. The (smart)phone market, for many people the only comput

Maybe the pandemic finally offers enough motivation for EU and US to make a strong decision about this. The (smart)phone market, for many people the only computing device they own, is utterly dominated by 2 monopolies under Apple and Google. The CEOs should get a medal and all the honours for providing society this good platforms then promptly forced to allow separate AppStores on equal footing.

qeternity 6y ago
> 2 monopolies Uh... Also, monopoly has a very specific definition. It does not mean "company with large marketshare".
- meditative 6y ago
  Oligopoly that monopolises the market
  - qeternity 6y ago
    Again, still not a monopoly. The fact that most phones are iOS or Android just means those are the two most popular products in the market. It does not make it monopolistic.
- fierarul 6y ago
  You are trying hard not to understand the message. The laws change to fit what people consider right. What Apple is doing might be almost legal but it is not right and laws can be written to spell this out for them and others. Computing should be declared a human right and selling mass produced general purpose computers without allowing anybody to deploy any desired software on that computer should be illegal.
  - qeternity 6y ago
    You may not like Apple, but I think it’s quite a leap of faith to declare computing a “human right”. You want an experience with an Apple product that Apple doesn’t provide, whether you agree with it or not. Where do we draw the line? Should we force all vegan restaurants to serve meat? Surely if computing is a human right, then food is as well and thus I’m entitled to the experience I want as a result. Apple would argue, and rightfully so, most of their customers want a walled garden. People don’t want to have to worry about malware, scams, etc. Why should they be deprived of offering this experience when you have plenty of other choices for unconstrained computing.
    - fierarul 6y ago
      Some country was thinking about declaring Internet Access a human right. I think computing should come before that. The scale of any company should invite extra scrutiny from the state. Apple is at a scale where it has massive societal impact, it's not the burger joint down the road. It would be trivial for Apple to add a toggle allowing users to switch from 'walled garden' mode to something more permissive. On macOS you can install any software, or from identified developers or from the App Store and I don't see macOS users screaming they can't manage without their walled garden. Why wouldn't iOS allow any installs from identified developers or from anywhere?
IncRnd 6y ago
> is utterly dominated by 2 monopolies under Apple and Google. duopoly not monopoly
AnonymousPlanet 6y ago
The PC market, for many people the only computing device for a long time, is utterly dominated by Microsoft. But no one has ever done anything about that.
- belltaco 6y ago
  What? Did you forget the US and EU anti-trust actions? The browser choice screen and the $1 billion fine over it? The forced opening up of Office file protocols and SMB specs? Also they aren't taking 30% forcibly of every single program that runs on Windows.
- mD5pPxMcS6fVWKE 6y ago
  But you can download an .EXE file from anywhere and run it on your Windows computer (don't try that at home!). No any Store required. Hell, you can even write a program yourself and run it, completely free, imagine that!

qeternity 6y ago

> 2 monopolies Uh... Also, monopoly has a very specific definition. It does not mean "company with large marketshare".

meditative 6y ago
Oligopoly that monopolises the market
- qeternity 6y ago
  Again, still not a monopoly. The fact that most phones are iOS or Android just means those are the two most popular products in the market. It does not make it monopolistic.
fierarul 6y ago
You are trying hard not to understand the message. The laws change to fit what people consider right. What Apple is doing might be almost legal but it is not right and laws can be written to spell this out for them and others. Computing should be declared a human right and selling mass produced general purpose computers without allowing anybody to deploy any desired software on that computer should be illegal.
- qeternity 6y ago
  You may not like Apple, but I think it’s quite a leap of faith to declare computing a “human right”. You want an experience with an Apple product that Apple doesn’t provide, whether you agree with it or not. Where do we draw the line? Should we force all vegan restaurants to serve meat? Surely if computing is a human right, then food is as well and thus I’m entitled to the experience I want as a result. Apple would argue, and rightfully so, most of their customers want a walled garden. People don’t want to have to worry about malware, scams, etc. Why should they be deprived of offering this experience when you have plenty of other choices for unconstrained computing.
  - fierarul 6y ago
    Some country was thinking about declaring Internet Access a human right. I think computing should come before that. The scale of any company should invite extra scrutiny from the state. Apple is at a scale where it has massive societal impact, it's not the burger joint down the road. It would be trivial for Apple to add a toggle allowing users to switch from 'walled garden' mode to something more permissive. On macOS you can install any software, or from identified developers or from the App Store and I don't see macOS users screaming they can't manage without their walled garden. Why wouldn't iOS allow any installs from identified developers or from anywhere?

IncRnd 6y ago

> is utterly dominated by 2 monopolies under Apple and Google. duopoly not monopoly

AnonymousPlanet 6y ago

The PC market, for many people the only computing device for a long time, is utterly dominated by Microsoft. But no one has ever done anything about that.

belltaco 6y ago
What? Did you forget the US and EU anti-trust actions? The browser choice screen and the $1 billion fine over it? The forced opening up of Office file protocols and SMB specs? Also they aren't taking 30% forcibly of every single program that runs on Windows.
mD5pPxMcS6fVWKE 6y ago
But you can download an .EXE file from anywhere and run it on your Windows computer (don't try that at home!). No any Store required. Hell, you can even write a program yourself and run it, completely free, imagine that!