The underlying question really is when the point is reached between "security through trust" and "security through audit". I'm not anyhow claiming that Telegra

The underlying question really is when the point is reached between "security through trust" and "security through audit". I'm not anyhow claiming that Telegram is secure. But given the problems that legal courts have when the FBI and other three letter agencies want to get access to Telegram data (and the fact that the company moved their HQ around Europe every time a state wanted access) seems to me much more trustworthy than say, any Facebook software. And I would also argue that given the fact that Gotham has full administrative access for anything Facebook sends and that the end-to-end encryption cannot be verified as both clients never actually connect directly would speak also contra WhatsApp when it comes to their security claims. (install a Firewall on Android and you'll see the whatsapp gateways/proxies). To be honest, I doubt that the Pentagon would trust any software without having seen its source code or at least having full access to the data that's transferred. And I think that's a fair assumption. The underlying issue is that the field of security has is actually that it's not a field of trust - but rather a field of mistrust. Currently I'm mistrusting the Pentagon more than some random dudes I've never seen; which might be the actual point of the discussion: Can we trust the Pentagon given their fuckups in the past?