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So assuming I do not want my privacy violated, I am simply at the tyranny of the majority?

rydre 6y ago
No, you convince the majority. If they don't agree then maybe the really are right until you convince them otherwise. Imagine if you want to employ slave labor. The majority today disagrees. Would would still call it the tyranny of the majority?
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  > If they don't agree then maybe the really are right until you convince them otherwise. How far back can you take that? Were they right about slavery, the nazis etc.? Or were they somehow magically wrong then, but are right ever since?
gear54rus 6y ago
You are to research encryption and other privacy-enabling tech instead of listening to marketing. Majority will never have your back in this, forget it.
Barrin92 6y ago
assuming I don't want to contract COVID because I'm a sick person in the UK, do I need to live free or(and) die by American values because Apple has de-facto replaced a government? tyranny of the majority is scary to you, neglect by the minority is scary to me. What should happen in a reasonable world is that governments maintain sovereignty and that Apple, in particular on software questions (hardware would be tricky to do), to comply with regional governments. What's blatantly absurd is that a gadget company even starts to argue with the government of the United Kingdom.
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  Am actually not from the U.S. and quite far left on the political spectrum, I am not against government regulation where it makes sense at all, I do find it absurd in principle that Apple can essentially supersede a national government, but in practice I find it unlikely that the UK government would be more conscious of my own privacy than Apple and that's saying something as I disdain Apple's practices quite a bit in general. You seem to assume I am arguing for no tracing at all, but am simply saying I doubt the UK's own technology is better in terms of preserving privacy than Apple's, while achieving the same goal.
threatofrain 6y ago
Without considering righteousness, by what might does any small thing secure itself except by tyranny or persuasion?
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  There might no be any "might" by which a minority can actually protect itself, but that is true for almost any interaction you have where the balance of power is not in your favor. Laws, at least theoretically, exist so that you're protected in certain situations even if you don't have any actual "might".
lozenge 6y ago
Just don't install the app?
- AsyncAwait 6y ago
  That's assuming I don't want to help/participate in tracing at all. What if I am happy to help, assuming I have reasonable belief in my privacy being protected? I am simply saying that my belief in UK's own, homegrown tech, is less than Apple's/Google's tech, which is saying something as I am no fan of either.

No, you convince the majority. If they don't agree then maybe the really are right until you convince them otherwise. Imagine if you want to employ slave labor. The majority today disagrees. Would would still call it the tyranny of the majority?

AsyncAwait 6y ago
> If they don't agree then maybe the really are right until you convince them otherwise. How far back can you take that? Were they right about slavery, the nazis etc.? Or were they somehow magically wrong then, but are right ever since?

gear54rus 6y ago

You are to research encryption and other privacy-enabling tech instead of listening to marketing. Majority will never have your back in this, forget it.

Barrin92 6y ago

assuming I don't want to contract COVID because I'm a sick person in the UK, do I need to live free or(and) die by American values because Apple has de-facto replaced a government? tyranny of the majority is scary to you, neglect by the minority is scary to me. What should happen in a reasonable world is that governments maintain sovereignty and that Apple, in particular on software questions (hardware would be tricky to do), to comply with regional governments. What's blatantly absurd is that a gadget company even starts to argue with the government of the United Kingdom.

AsyncAwait 6y ago
Am actually not from the U.S. and quite far left on the political spectrum, I am not against government regulation where it makes sense at all, I do find it absurd in principle that Apple can essentially supersede a national government, but in practice I find it unlikely that the UK government would be more conscious of my own privacy than Apple and that's saying something as I disdain Apple's practices quite a bit in general. You seem to assume I am arguing for no tracing at all, but am simply saying I doubt the UK's own technology is better in terms of preserving privacy than Apple's, while achieving the same goal.

threatofrain 6y ago

Without considering righteousness, by what might does any small thing secure itself except by tyranny or persuasion?

AsyncAwait 6y ago
There might no be any "might" by which a minority can actually protect itself, but that is true for almost any interaction you have where the balance of power is not in your favor. Laws, at least theoretically, exist so that you're protected in certain situations even if you don't have any actual "might".

lozenge 6y ago

Just don't install the app?

AsyncAwait 6y ago
That's assuming I don't want to help/participate in tracing at all. What if I am happy to help, assuming I have reasonable belief in my privacy being protected? I am simply saying that my belief in UK's own, homegrown tech, is less than Apple's/Google's tech, which is saying something as I am no fan of either.