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As it should not. Need to move the laptop into another room? Better not close the lid! Just disable it and actively sleep when you do want to sleep. This is th

by tjoff 6y ago

As it should not. Need to move the laptop into another room? Better not close the lid! Just disable it and actively sleep when you do want to sleep. This is the most sensible way even if you never have any external monitors attached.

jchw 6y ago
What the hell. It’s one thing to say you prefer nothing to happen on lid close. That’s cool. I don’t want that. This is like saying, “I would like a mocha” and having the barista say “Wrong, you want an iced coffee.” No, I do want my laptop to sleep on lid close, just not when it’s docked. This is clearly not much to ask for considering Linux and macOS do it just fine by default and I can still disable sleep on lid close if I want to. Why is it better for Windows to do this wrong? It is clearly a side effect of the fact that the Power Policy system only differentiates between AC and DC and no other conditions. What happens when I move rooms? Well, I only have one docking setup. But also, it is not a problem if my laptop spuriously goes to sleep. (My solution does not automatically sleep the laptop when it is undocked, either, so this is also still not an issue.)
- tjoff 6y ago
  It came out harsh, sorry. But it is more like asking for a 33cl beverage but getting 35cl. There are tons of issues with a computer spuriously going to sleep. Network connectivity dies for one, as well as lots of minor quirks such as music stops etc. Having control of that is quite essential. Being forced to manually sleep despite ones preferences is not a major issue. It is a sub-second operation that comes with lots of benefits. One of which being explicit with what you want to do.
  - jchw 6y ago
    On the flip side, a laptop failing to go to sleep can be a fire hazard or at least permanently damage your laptop, depending on where it’s stored. This killed one of my X1 carbons.
    - tjoff 6y ago
      Exactly, I see that as yet another benefit of being explicit about it.
RMPR 6y ago
>the Windows desktop gets a free pass because everyone has internalized the ways that it sucks.
- tjoff 6y ago
  I don't use windows on my laptop, I also don't have external displays connected to it. Yet turning off auto-sleep is a no-brainer.

by tjoff 6y ago

jchw 6y ago

What the hell. It’s one thing to say you prefer nothing to happen on lid close. That’s cool. I don’t want that. This is like saying, “I would like a mocha” and having the barista say “Wrong, you want an iced coffee.” No, I do want my laptop to sleep on lid close, just not when it’s docked. This is clearly not much to ask for considering Linux and macOS do it just fine by default and I can still disable sleep on lid close if I want to. Why is it better for Windows to do this wrong? It is clearly a side effect of the fact that the Power Policy system only differentiates between AC and DC and no other conditions. What happens when I move rooms? Well, I only have one docking setup. But also, it is not a problem if my laptop spuriously goes to sleep. (My solution does not automatically sleep the laptop when it is undocked, either, so this is also still not an issue.)

tjoff 6y ago
It came out harsh, sorry. But it is more like asking for a 33cl beverage but getting 35cl. There are tons of issues with a computer spuriously going to sleep. Network connectivity dies for one, as well as lots of minor quirks such as music stops etc. Having control of that is quite essential. Being forced to manually sleep despite ones preferences is not a major issue. It is a sub-second operation that comes with lots of benefits. One of which being explicit with what you want to do.
- jchw 6y ago
  On the flip side, a laptop failing to go to sleep can be a fire hazard or at least permanently damage your laptop, depending on where it’s stored. This killed one of my X1 carbons.
  - tjoff 6y ago
    Exactly, I see that as yet another benefit of being explicit about it.

RMPR 6y ago

>the Windows desktop gets a free pass because everyone has internalized the ways that it sucks.

tjoff 6y ago
I don't use windows on my laptop, I also don't have external displays connected to it. Yet turning off auto-sleep is a no-brainer.