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Because ripping people off by rent seeking is common it’s okay? It’s not okay to steal other people’s work when them building things for it means you sell more

Because ripping people off by rent seeking is common it’s okay? It’s not okay to steal other people’s work when them building things for it means you sell more iPhones. Apple have this stuff completely backwards, stop there from being an App Store at all and see how many iPhones are sold.

scarface74 6y ago
All retailers “rent seek” by that definition.
- andy_ppp 6y ago
  Sure, but you can only visit one retailer. If there was store competition let Apple charge what they like...
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Google and Steam both have potential competitors and they both charge 30%
    - anoncake 6y ago
      Google doesn't meaningfully have potential competitors. Alternative stores are severely limited, e.g. they can't update apps in the background.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        Is that a bad thing? If I’m using an alternative to a the App Store, I definitely don’t then want an app to be able to run arbitrary code from a server. But we have an alternate universe where users can install outside of the official store yet hardly anyone takes advantage of it.
        anoncake 6y ago
        > Is that a bad thing? If I?m using an alternative to a the App Store, I definitely don?t then want an app to be able to run arbitrary code from a server. If you like updating manually, don't give the store you use permission to do it manually. Why are you running software you don't trust anyway! > But we have an alternate universe where users can install outside of the official store yet hardly anyone takes advantage of it. See the post you replied to.
        scarface74 6y ago
        That’s the beauty of the App Store. I don’t have to to trust the app maker, just the operating system. How do you know which app makers to “trust”? Epic? https://www.cnet.com/news/just-as-critics-feared-fortnite-for-android-came-with-an-epic-security-risk/ https://www.cnet.com/news/just-as-critics-feared-fortnite-fo... Zoom? https://www.zdnet.com/article/zoom-defends-use-of-local-web-server-on-macs-after-security-report/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/zoom-defends-use-of-local-web-... Google? https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/15235262?hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/15235262?hl=en https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/30/googles-also-peddling-a-data-collector-through-apples-back-door/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/30/googles-also-peddling-a-da...
        anoncake 6y ago
        The latter is just a great argument why alternatives to Google's app store shouldn't be able to do their job.
    - andy_ppp 6y ago
      They don’t charge on top of services the way Apple does do they?
      - scarface74 6y ago
        Yes Google has in app subscriptions.
        andy_ppp 6y ago
        Do they force you to use their in app subscriptions in the way Apple is? Can I still use my own subscriptions servcie - in fact I know the Answer because Spotify and Hey were not complaining about the Google Play Store.
Spooky23 6y ago
You’re putting words in my mouth. How would you write the rules to get what you want? It’s a complex question. I used to always buy Mancini roasted red peppers for salads and sandwiches. My grocer did a strategic sourcing exercise and now carries a house brand and some other brand. Should they be compelled to carry Mancini? WalMart requires that vendors be able to fill orders on tight timescales. If you can’t, your out. Is that ok? Costco requires that I pay them to shop there. Is that ok? My wife owned a mall kiosk, and part of rent was a cut of the gross. Is that ok?

scarface74 6y ago

All retailers “rent seek” by that definition.

andy_ppp 6y ago
Sure, but you can only visit one retailer. If there was store competition let Apple charge what they like...
- scarface74 6y ago
  Google and Steam both have potential competitors and they both charge 30%
  - anoncake 6y ago
    Google doesn't meaningfully have potential competitors. Alternative stores are severely limited, e.g. they can't update apps in the background.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Is that a bad thing? If I’m using an alternative to a the App Store, I definitely don’t then want an app to be able to run arbitrary code from a server. But we have an alternate universe where users can install outside of the official store yet hardly anyone takes advantage of it.
      - anoncake 6y ago
        > Is that a bad thing? If I?m using an alternative to a the App Store, I definitely don?t then want an app to be able to run arbitrary code from a server. If you like updating manually, don't give the store you use permission to do it manually. Why are you running software you don't trust anyway! > But we have an alternate universe where users can install outside of the official store yet hardly anyone takes advantage of it. See the post you replied to.
        scarface74 6y ago
        That’s the beauty of the App Store. I don’t have to to trust the app maker, just the operating system. How do you know which app makers to “trust”? Epic? https://www.cnet.com/news/just-as-critics-feared-fortnite-for-android-came-with-an-epic-security-risk/ https://www.cnet.com/news/just-as-critics-feared-fortnite-fo... Zoom? https://www.zdnet.com/article/zoom-defends-use-of-local-web-server-on-macs-after-security-report/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/zoom-defends-use-of-local-web-... Google? https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/15235262?hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/15235262?hl=en https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/30/googles-also-peddling-a-data-collector-through-apples-back-door/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/30/googles-also-peddling-a-da...
        anoncake 6y ago
        The latter is just a great argument why alternatives to Google's app store shouldn't be able to do their job.
  - andy_ppp 6y ago
    They don’t charge on top of services the way Apple does do they?
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Yes Google has in app subscriptions.
      - andy_ppp 6y ago
        Do they force you to use their in app subscriptions in the way Apple is? Can I still use my own subscriptions servcie - in fact I know the Answer because Spotify and Hey were not complaining about the Google Play Store.

Spooky23 6y ago

You’re putting words in my mouth. How would you write the rules to get what you want? It’s a complex question. I used to always buy Mancini roasted red peppers for salads and sandwiches. My grocer did a strategic sourcing exercise and now carries a house brand and some other brand. Should they be compelled to carry Mancini? WalMart requires that vendors be able to fill orders on tight timescales. If you can’t, your out. Is that ok? Costco requires that I pay them to shop there. Is that ok? My wife owned a mall kiosk, and part of rent was a cut of the gross. Is that ok?