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I believe Apple just don't see any reason to be nice. And probably that's what many companies would do if they were in that position. We know that we can't sta

by stunt 6y ago

I believe Apple just don't see any reason to be nice. And probably that's what many companies would do if they were in that position. We know that we can't stay dominant forever, We know someone will force us to reduce Apple-tax later, So we have to get as much as we can, for as long as we can.

t0ughcritic 6y ago
#mafiatax
- sooheon 6y ago
  This is a ridiculous meme. If you enjoy the mafia's services, don't be surprised if they ask you to pay. But it's your choice to go to them (ask to be put on their platform and sell to their customers). You can make your own internet corner shop, set up payments and distribution, ignore the Apple platform, and never worry about their #mafiatax.
  - altacc 6y ago
    That choice isn't a real choice though, as it's the consumers' choice to buy an iPhone not the businesses. Businesses only have a real choice about who their customers are when there is free access to the market. The issue here is precisely that you cannot set up your own internet corner shop and ignore Apple, as that means you have no access to consumers who use Apple. Internet distribution channels are inherently open and borderless, until companies like Apple artificially restrict the market.
    - sooheon 6y ago
      > The issue here is precisely that you cannot set up your own internet corner shop and ignore Apple, as that means you have no access to consumers who use Apple I don't understand why businesses are entitled to have access to consumers who use Apple. If you don't want to pay to play on their platform, imagine a world where Apple doesn't exist, and position your business accordingly. Nothing is actually forcing you to deal with Apple except your own expectation that being on Apple's platform is valuable. Then why not pay for that privilege?
      - greggman3 6y ago
        Are you really saying you'd be okay with the same idea in any other part of you life? How about a neighborhood where you're not allowed to bring in any products except those offered by the company that build the neighborhood? How about car that you're not allowed to carry any items inside or any people that are not officially blessed by the car manufacture? How about a fridgerator that only allows food designated by the makers of the fridge. It seems like your argument is people opted into buying things with those restrictions therefore it's ok but many things have been banned in the past along similar lines.
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        sooheon 6y ago
        Yes. As an example, think of the juicero debacle. They tried that game, and failed miserably because the whole offering was not attractive. Most of your ad absurdism examples fall along these lines. I have no problem with restrictions that improve overall experience—-if it sucks, a competitor should be able to do better.
        greggman3 6y ago
        There's nothing preventing you from having an unrestricted device but having your improved experience. Plenty of people chose only to rent movies at Blockbuster Video because it was a bright and clean store with no porn. That didn't require Blockbuster to make their own special VHS or DVD player that only played the movies they offered. > I have no problem with restrictions that improve overall experience I'm sure there are plenty of restrictions that would improve the overall experience for many people of many things that are still banned. Plenty of people would like all of a certain race banned from their apartment complex or town. I guess by your argument if they opt in to that experience because it's better for them it's should be no problem.
        sooheon 6y ago
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    - threatofrain 6y ago
      But is the Apple app store the same thing as the "app market"? If I open a denim store in Spain, is that the same thing as entering the Chinese market? Why or why not? The "market" here isn't the app market but rather just Apple's customers. It also seems like people would be okay if Apple just shut down the app market overall, like that would be "tough luck" to developers and a matter for customers to judge. An open and borderless web market is the kind of thing that just about every nation is rethinking right now.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  This is why we have anti-trust laws.

by stunt 6y ago

t0ughcritic 6y ago

#mafiatax

sooheon 6y ago
This is a ridiculous meme. If you enjoy the mafia's services, don't be surprised if they ask you to pay. But it's your choice to go to them (ask to be put on their platform and sell to their customers). You can make your own internet corner shop, set up payments and distribution, ignore the Apple platform, and never worry about their #mafiatax.
- altacc 6y ago
  That choice isn't a real choice though, as it's the consumers' choice to buy an iPhone not the businesses. Businesses only have a real choice about who their customers are when there is free access to the market. The issue here is precisely that you cannot set up your own internet corner shop and ignore Apple, as that means you have no access to consumers who use Apple. Internet distribution channels are inherently open and borderless, until companies like Apple artificially restrict the market.
  - sooheon 6y ago
    > The issue here is precisely that you cannot set up your own internet corner shop and ignore Apple, as that means you have no access to consumers who use Apple I don't understand why businesses are entitled to have access to consumers who use Apple. If you don't want to pay to play on their platform, imagine a world where Apple doesn't exist, and position your business accordingly. Nothing is actually forcing you to deal with Apple except your own expectation that being on Apple's platform is valuable. Then why not pay for that privilege?
    - greggman3 6y ago
      Are you really saying you'd be okay with the same idea in any other part of you life? How about a neighborhood where you're not allowed to bring in any products except those offered by the company that build the neighborhood? How about car that you're not allowed to carry any items inside or any people that are not officially blessed by the car manufacture? How about a fridgerator that only allows food designated by the makers of the fridge. It seems like your argument is people opted into buying things with those restrictions therefore it's ok but many things have been banned in the past along similar lines.
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      - sooheon 6y ago
        Yes. As an example, think of the juicero debacle. They tried that game, and failed miserably because the whole offering was not attractive. Most of your ad absurdism examples fall along these lines. I have no problem with restrictions that improve overall experience—-if it sucks, a competitor should be able to do better.
        greggman3 6y ago
        There's nothing preventing you from having an unrestricted device but having your improved experience. Plenty of people chose only to rent movies at Blockbuster Video because it was a bright and clean store with no porn. That didn't require Blockbuster to make their own special VHS or DVD player that only played the movies they offered. > I have no problem with restrictions that improve overall experience I'm sure there are plenty of restrictions that would improve the overall experience for many people of many things that are still banned. Plenty of people would like all of a certain race banned from their apartment complex or town. I guess by your argument if they opt in to that experience because it's better for them it's should be no problem.
        sooheon 6y ago
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  - threatofrain 6y ago
    But is the Apple app store the same thing as the "app market"? If I open a denim store in Spain, is that the same thing as entering the Chinese market? Why or why not? The "market" here isn't the app market but rather just Apple's customers. It also seems like people would be okay if Apple just shut down the app market overall, like that would be "tough luck" to developers and a matter for customers to judge. An open and borderless web market is the kind of thing that just about every nation is rethinking right now.
koheripbal 6y ago
This is why we have anti-trust laws.