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They not only sold lie to the US they sold it to the world. Colin Powell stood up at the UN to present the world his Power Point of lies: https://theintercept

by jussij 6y ago

They not only sold lie to the US they sold it to the world. Colin Powell stood up at the UN to present the world his Power Point of lies: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/06/lie-after-lie-what-colin-powell-knew-about-iraq-fifteen-years-ago-and-what-he-told-the-un/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/06/lie-after-lie-what-colin...

dnautics 6y ago
I guess the question could hinge on if yellowcake is truly wmd or not, but regardless the administration openly claimed it was, and that's what they based their argument on, and iirc that yellowcake was found.
- jussij 6y ago
  Don't let a few facts get in the way of that good story: The yellowcake removed from Iraq in 2008 was material that had long since been identified, documented, and stored in sealed containers under the supervision of U.N. inspectors. It was not a “secret” cache that was recently “discovered” by the U.S, nor had the yellowcake been purchased by Iraq in the years immediately preceding the 2003 invasion. The uranium was the remnants of decades-old nuclear reactor projects that had put out of commission many years earlier: One reactor at Al Tuwaitha was bombed by Israel in 1981, and another was bombed and disabled during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Moreover, the fact that the yellowcake had been in Iraq since before the 1991 Gulf War was plainly stated in the Associated Press article cited in the example above: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/have-your-yellowcake/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/have-your-yellowcake/ No. Uranium recently shipped from Iraq to Canada was left over from Saddam Hussein’s defunct nuclear weapons program and had been in sealed containers, under guard, since the end of the first Gulf War in 1991. Claims that this material is "vindication" for President Bush’s WMD claims in 2003 are completely false. https://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/uranium-in-iraq/#:~:text=%22It%E2%80%99s%20a%20little%20known%20fact%20that%2C%20after%20invading,the%20Iraqi%20government%20ship%20it%20all%20to%20Canada%2C https://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/uranium-in-iraq/#:~:text=%...
  - dnautics 6y ago
    Did you not read what I wrote? > IIRC the claim was that Saddam Hussein had ceased reporting the location of stockpiles of nuclear material that the UN used to keep track of. And > The sin of the bush administration was that they sold it to the public that this was a national security threat even though they knew it was very lightly enriched and counted on the public not knowing or caring (remember the Chapelle skit about yellowcake). I'll refresh your memory on the yellowcake skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DLuALBnolM&t=1m36s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DLuALBnolM&t=1m36s In any case, the WMD thing was not a coverup/fabrication. It was stretching the truth and stretching reasonable definitions of things, but I think that sort of lie is not in the same category.
koheripbal 6y ago
Right - but the world looked at the evidence and said "sorry, that's not a strong case." ...and then the US invaded anyway. So it's really nothing like a fake moon landing.
- jussij 6y ago
  The US never convince the rest of the world their evidence was strong even though Powell tried his best. That is why the United Nations Security Council never past a resolution authorizing the Iraq invasion and instead the US had to settle for the "coalition of the willing" as the their base of support.
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    right... which is why this entire line of the thread is worthless because it's nothing at all like a faked moon landing.

by jussij 6y ago

dnautics 6y ago

I guess the question could hinge on if yellowcake is truly wmd or not, but regardless the administration openly claimed it was, and that's what they based their argument on, and iirc that yellowcake was found.

jussij 6y ago
Don't let a few facts get in the way of that good story: The yellowcake removed from Iraq in 2008 was material that had long since been identified, documented, and stored in sealed containers under the supervision of U.N. inspectors. It was not a “secret” cache that was recently “discovered” by the U.S, nor had the yellowcake been purchased by Iraq in the years immediately preceding the 2003 invasion. The uranium was the remnants of decades-old nuclear reactor projects that had put out of commission many years earlier: One reactor at Al Tuwaitha was bombed by Israel in 1981, and another was bombed and disabled during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Moreover, the fact that the yellowcake had been in Iraq since before the 1991 Gulf War was plainly stated in the Associated Press article cited in the example above: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/have-your-yellowcake/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/have-your-yellowcake/ No. Uranium recently shipped from Iraq to Canada was left over from Saddam Hussein’s defunct nuclear weapons program and had been in sealed containers, under guard, since the end of the first Gulf War in 1991. Claims that this material is "vindication" for President Bush’s WMD claims in 2003 are completely false. https://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/uranium-in-iraq/#:~:text=%22It%E2%80%99s%20a%20little%20known%20fact%20that%2C%20after%20invading,the%20Iraqi%20government%20ship%20it%20all%20to%20Canada%2C https://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/uranium-in-iraq/#:~:text=%...
- dnautics 6y ago
  Did you not read what I wrote? > IIRC the claim was that Saddam Hussein had ceased reporting the location of stockpiles of nuclear material that the UN used to keep track of. And > The sin of the bush administration was that they sold it to the public that this was a national security threat even though they knew it was very lightly enriched and counted on the public not knowing or caring (remember the Chapelle skit about yellowcake). I'll refresh your memory on the yellowcake skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DLuALBnolM&t=1m36s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DLuALBnolM&t=1m36s In any case, the WMD thing was not a coverup/fabrication. It was stretching the truth and stretching reasonable definitions of things, but I think that sort of lie is not in the same category.

koheripbal 6y ago

Right - but the world looked at the evidence and said "sorry, that's not a strong case." ...and then the US invaded anyway. So it's really nothing like a fake moon landing.

jussij 6y ago
The US never convince the rest of the world their evidence was strong even though Powell tried his best. That is why the United Nations Security Council never past a resolution authorizing the Iraq invasion and instead the US had to settle for the "coalition of the willing" as the their base of support.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  right... which is why this entire line of the thread is worthless because it's nothing at all like a faked moon landing.